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014 - Dave Chapman - Real Organic Podcast

014 - Dave Chapman - Real Organic Podcast

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Dave Chapman of Real Organic Podcast---SUMMARYSebastian sits down with Dave Chapman, a lifelong organic vegetable farmer from Vermont and creator/host of the Real Organic Podcast. Dave shares the origin story of the Real Organic Project, founded in 2018 as a response to what he sees as regulatory failures and corporate corruption within the National Organic Program. He explains how the podcast emerged almost by accident during COVID, evolving from a virtual conference into a long-running interview series that now spans over 280 episodes. The conversation explores the philosophy behind organic and "real organic" certification, the difference between organic and the increasingly popular but loosely defined "regenerative" label, and the regulatory capture that allows large corporations to influence food policy. Dave and Sebastian also discuss building an audience through grassroots community-building and email newsletters, the role of YouTube and video in podcast growth, balancing hope with realism when fighting systemic issues, and the importance of trust between podcasters and their audiences in an increasingly fractured media landscape.---IN THIS EPISODE0:12 – Introduction to Dave Chapman and the Real Organic Podcast00:54 – Dave's background as an organic farmer and the founding of the Real Organic Project in 201803:10 – How the podcast started almost by accident during COVID, inspired by a virtual conference project05:36 – How the show evolved from a farming-focused podcast into broader conversations about community, civilization, and integrity08:24 – Discussion of regulatory capture and corporate influence on organic certification standards11:46 – Dave's approach to choosing guests and topics for the podcast13:02 – The connection between healthy soil and healthy communities, and Dave's personal history as a young organic farmer in the 1970s15:11 – What "real organic" certification requires and the three core issues with the National Organic Program (hydroponics, animal welfare, and fraud in imported crops)18:16 – Why organic food costs more and how institutional support for chemical agriculture distorts pricing22:02 – Guests and interviews that have changed Dave's own thinking, including Zephyr Teachout, Seth Godin, Michael Pollan, and Paul Hawken23:12 – Generational differences in how people view organic food, and the rise of "regenerative" as a competing term28:00 – How Dave built his podcast audience through years of community organizing and a weekly newsletter33:01 – The tension between sensationalism and integrity in podcast growth34:21 – Video production, equipment setup, and why the Real Organic Podcast has always included a YouTube component35:31 – Unexpectedly popular episodes, including an interview with Vandana Shiva and a baker from Stone Barns38:06 – Helping farmers find and tell their stories on the podcast39:33 – Advice for starting a mission-driven podcast without a big marketing budget42:09 – Trust, distrust of institutions, and how that connects to podcasting's growth46:41 – Navigating disagreements with guests and Dave's approach to "hostile" interviews49:48 – Hope versus optimism, and an experiment illustrating the power of speaking the truth54:18 – How future generations might view the fight for real organic agriculture56:08 – Dave's podcast recommendations57:14 – Where to find Dave and the Real Organic Project online---RESOURCES & LINKSReal Organic ProjectReal Organic PodcastGuests and figures mentioned:Zephyr TeachoutSeth GodinMichael PollanPaul HawkenVandana ShivaEli Pitkin / Stone Barns CenterDan BarberLindley Dixon: co-host, Real Organic PodcastPodcasts recommended by Dave Chapman:The Market Gardener PodcastScene on RadioRevisionist History---TALK THAT PODAre you a podcaster or podcast industry figure and you want to be on this podcast? Fill out this form. Watch or listen to Talk That Pod on YouTube. Follow us:Twitter / XFacebookYouTubeInstagramTikTokThreads---FIND THAT PODDiscover the best podcasts in the world. - A podcast discovery newsletter bringing you 5 great podcasts to discover every week. Subscribe today.
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