What does a guitar lesson have to do with corporate accountability? More than you'd think.

In this episode, Renay sits down with Andrew Winston — author of Net Positive, TEDx speaker, and one of the most clear-eyed voices on sustainable business — for a conversation that travels from music theory to quantum physics to what it actually costs a leader to stay silent right now.

Andrew has spent decades trying to get companies to see themselves differently. But beneath the climate strategy and the ESG frameworks, he'll tell you what he's really working on is narrative — the story that says the purpose of business is profit, full stop, and that the purpose of a career is making as much money as you can. He thinks that story is broken. And he thinks the silence of business leaders in the current moment is not neutral — it's a choice, and it carries a cost.

They cover: why collective courage may be the only path forward when individual leaders are afraid to move first. Why empathy is under deliberate attack — and why that should alarm anyone paying attention. What AI war gaming simulations reveal about the danger of removing humans from consequential decisions. And why Andrew believes we are, simultaneously, winning and losing

This is not a sustainability conversation. It's a conversation about what it takes to stay human, stay honest, and stay in the work when the pressure to go quiet is everywhere.