This one explores what happens when hope, fear, and business blur into something dangerous. With a brew in hand, we unpack the story of Laetrile, also known as amygdalin or vitamin B17, a compound once promoted as a natural cancer cure.

We talk through why early studies created optimism, why results never held up, and how Laetrile was later shown to release cyanide in the body. We look at how misinformation spread, from celebrity endorsements to clinics operating along the US Mexico border, and why desperation makes people vulnerable to certainty that isn’t real.

This is a conversation about more than medicine. It’s about markets built on fear, the cost of unproven treatments, and the very real human consequences, including the story of Paloma Shamirani.

Sobering, uncomfortable, and a reminder of why evidence, accountability, and qualified medical advice matter when the stakes are life and death.

About Simon and Danielle:

Simon and Danielle are both business owners, based in the East Midlands, who met through mutual business contacts and who share a love of all things business.

Simon runs Skylight Media – Award-winning experts in Website Design, E-commerce & Marketing running since 2003.

Danielle runs Goldspun Support – a multi-faceted support service for fractional directors and small business owners across the globe, running since 2009.

Since they first met Simon and Danielle have spent a ridiculous amount of time talking about the subjects that interest them – usually over a drink in the pub – and they decided that now was the time to bring these conversations to a wider audience and invite them to join the chat.

Both Simon and Danielle are successful business owners in their own rights with big plans for the future but will never lose their love of talking all things business… and the pub.

We talk about mining, not the obvious kind with hard hats and diggers, but the kind hiding in plain sight. Phones, electric cars, toothpaste, tech, it all starts in the ground. And over a lifetime, each of us gets through millions of pounds of minerals without ever really noticing.

We dig into the less comfortable side too. Environmental damage, social impact, and what happens when extraction goes wrong, including examples like Rio Tinto and why certain disasters changed the conversation forever.

We keep it moving by looking at what could actually improve things, from urban mining and recycling what we already have, to ethical sourcing and smarter systems that don’t pretend demand can exist without consequence.

It’s quick, eye opening, slightly uncomfortable in places, and guaranteed to make you look at everyday objects very differently next time you pick them up.

About Simon and Danielle:

Simon and Danielle are both business owners, based in the East Midlands, who met through mutual business contacts and who share a love of all things business.

Simon runs Skylight Media – Award-winning experts in Website Design, E-commerce & Marketing running since 2003.

Danielle runs Goldspun Support – a multi-faceted support service for fractional directors and small business owners across the globe, running since 2009.

Since they first met Simon and Danielle have spent a ridiculous amount of time talking about the subjects that interest them – usually over a drink in the pub – and they decided that now was the time to bring these conversations to a wider audience and invite them to join the chat.

Both Simon and Danielle are successful business owners in their own rights with big plans for the future but will never lose their love of talking all things business… and the pub.

We’re turning our attention to the UK fishing industry and asking some uncomfortable but necessary questions about who the system really works for. We talk through the pressure small scale fishers are under, from shrinking quotas and rising costs to competing with vast industrial fleets that operate on a completely different scale.

We rewind to the days when cod was apparently “endless” and how that belief aged about as well as warm milk. Modern fishing practices proved otherwise, and we get into the slightly bonkers reality of discarding unwanted catches, where perfectly good fish are thrown back because the rules say so. Make it make sense.

We also touch on the impact of public awareness campaigns like Fish Fight, how they shifted public conversation, and whether post Brexit policy reform could actually create space for fairer, more sustainable practices.

This chat zooms out to look at solutions too. We explore how better technology could improve transparency, why sustainability isn’t just an environmental issue but an economic one, and how consumer awareness and buying choices can make a real difference to local fishing communities.

It’s a conversation about food, fairness, and the long term cost of short term thinking. Thought provoking, grounded, and perfect listening for anyone who’s ever wondered where their dinner really comes from.

About Simon and Danielle:

Simon and Danielle are both business owners, based in the East Midlands, who met through mutual business contacts and who share a love of all things business.

Simon runs Skylight Media – Award-winning experts in Website Design, E-commerce & Marketing running since 2003.

Danielle runs Goldspun Support – a multi-faceted support service for fractional directors and small business owners across the globe, running since 2009.

Since they first met Simon and Danielle have spent a ridiculous amount of time talking about the subjects that interest them – usually over a drink in the pub – and they decided that now was the time to bring these conversations to a wider audience and invite them to join the chat.

Both Simon and Danielle are successful business owners in their own rights with big plans for the future but will never lose their love of talking all things business… and the pub.