In this conversation, Loch Kelly joins Jeremy de Tolly to explore effortless mindfulness, open awareness, and the profound shift from identifying with thoughts to recognizing the awareness that exists beyond them. Loch shares practical insights from decades of mindfulness practice and teaching, explaining why traditional concentration-based meditation can sometimes feel difficult — and how a more direct path to awareness can help us access greater presence, clarity, compassion, and resilience.

The conversation also explores communication anxiety, social anxiety, psychological parts, self-compassion, relationships, flow states, and what awakening to our true nature might mean for individuals and society as a whole. Whether you're new to mindfulness or have years of meditation experience, this episode offers practical tools and fresh perspectives for living with greater ease, authenticity, and connection.

About Jeremy de Tolly
Jeremy de Tolly is a communication coach, vocal empowerment specialist, and host of the Radiant Voices podcast. His work helps people move through vocal and social anxiety to speak with greater clarity, confidence, and presence.

In this episode, you'll learn:

• What effortless mindfulness actually is
• Why you're not your thoughts
• The difference between concentration and awareness
• How to access open awareness in everyday life
• Understanding social anxiety through mindfulness
• The role of self-compassion and parts work
• Bringing awareness into communication and relationships
• Flow states, self-transcendence, and true presence
• A vision for a more conscious and connected society

https://www.jeremydetolly.com/about-jeremy

Mindful Glimpses
You can now explore all of Loch Kelly’s practices and teachings on the Mindful Glimpses mobile app, found at https://lochkelly.org/mindful-glimpses. This innovative meditation and wellness app offers daily micro-meditations, step-by-step programs, and simple-yet-advanced tools for awakening.

About Loch Kelly
Loch is the creator of the Mindful Glimpses app, and an award-winning author, psychotherapist, and nondual meditation teacher. He is also known for his unique practical methods that support awakening as the next natural stage of human development. Backed by modern neuroscience and psychology, Loch introduces Effortless Mindfulness, which combines an ancient form of nondual meditation and IFS psychology that allows immediate access to our embodied awake nature which arises as our calm, clear, and compassionate healing capacity.

Connect with Loch:

Mobile App: https://lochkelly.org/mindful-glimpses

Website: https://lochkelly.org/

Podcast: https://lochkelly.org/podcast

Donate: https://lochkelly.org/donate

In this episode, we take a fresh look at the journey from our everyday, habitual sense of ego-centered identity—the “small self”—toward discovering and living from our True Nature or what IFS calls Self Leadership. Through a guided glimpse practice and gentle inquiry at the end, we explore how to unblend from the thinker or manager part of the mind and shift into the spacious, compassionate presence of Self.

You’ll learn to recognize the levels of identity—from ego-centered small self to Self Essence, Self Energy, and then Self Leadership. Rather than dissolving parts or pushing them away, we honor them as expressions of natural humanity. By shifting into Awake Awareness as the foundation of Self Essence, we gain access to qualities like clarity, curiosity, and compassion, allowing us to relate to our parts from the Self within that has the capacity to heal us.

This episode offers a direct taste of what it's like to unhook from our ego's effort and rest in the open-hearted, effortless flow of Self Leadership. You'll walk away with a glimpse practice for identifying your parts, creating space around them, and leading your inner life from the natural wisdom of Self. This isn’t about spiritually bypassing or calming our parts—it’s about welcoming, listening, and returning home to who you truly are.

Mindful Glimpse
The episode features Loch offering a guided practice called “From Small self to Self Leadership.” These mindful glimpses serve as invaluable tools for experiencing ways to access the awake consciousness that is already here within all of us.

You can now explore all of Loch Kelly’s practices and teachings on the Mindful Glimpses mobile app, found at https://lochkelly.org/mindful-glimpses. This innovative meditation and wellness app offers daily micro-meditations, step-by-step programs, and simple-yet-advanced tools for awakening.

About Loch Kelly
Loch is the creator of the Mindful Glimpses app, and an award-winning author, psychotherapist, and nondual meditation teacher. He is also known for his unique practical methods that support awakening as the next natural stage of human development. Backed by modern neuroscience and psychology, Loch introduces Effortless Mindfulness, which combines an ancient form of nondual meditation and IFS psychology that allows immediate access to our embodied awake nature which arises as our calm, clear, and compassionate healing capacity.

Connect with Loch:

Mobile App: https://lochkelly.org/mindful-glimpses

Website: https://lochkelly.org/

Podcast: https://lochkelly.org/podcast

Donate: https://lochkelly.org/donate

In part two of this deep conversation, two “happy” masters of meditation, Loch Kelly and Henry Shukman, explore a range of topics and questions through the lens of awakening as a natural human potential. What can we learn about how to shift into awake mind and heart to live with and recover from injury and long Covid? What is effortless focus and flow, aka Flow Know? And why is it so important for meditation and mindfulness practitioners to understand the distinctions between conventional mindfulness and more direct paths like Zen and Effortless Mindfulness?

And finally, what are the benefits of new emergent spiritual models that integrate nondual mindfulness and Internal Family Systems? How does it work and how are models like this different from more traditional approaches to waking up and growing up? Loch and Henry Shukman engage with these questions and more.

Part 1 Recap

In part one, Loch and Henry Shukman explore their similar and unique approaches to awakening. With delight and curiosity, they share some of their own initial awakening experiences. They also discuss their process of discovering and unfolding and how they share it with students.

To this end, they unpack and illuminate the contemplative art and science of Inquiry and Koans as ways to shift out of the chattering mind and into our already awake heart mind. Henry talks about his experience with Zen Koans and Loch shares his Mahamudra approach to inquiry. Loch calls this Glimpsing, and it emphasizes immediate experiential pointers which help practitioners directly realize their already awake nature.

Henry Shukman Bio

Henry Shukman is a meditation teacher, poet, author, and co-founder of the single-path meditation app The Way. His most recent books are Original Love: The Four Inns on the Path of Awakening (HarperOne) and the Zen memoir One Blade of Grass.

Mindful Glimpse

The episode features Loch offering a guided practice called “Learn to Stay in Your Heart.” These mindful glimpses serve as invaluable tools for experiencing ways to access the awake consciousness that is already here within all of us.

You can now explore all of Loch Kelly’s practices and teachings on the Mindful Glimpses mobile app, found at https://lochkelly.org/mindful-glimpses. This innovative meditation and wellness app offers daily micro-meditations, step-by-step programs, and simple-yet-advanced tools for awakening.

About Loch Kelly
Loch is the creator of the Mindful Glimpses app, and an award-winning author, psychotherapist, and nondual meditation teacher. He is also known for his unique practical methods that support awakening as the next natural stage of human development. Backed by modern neuroscience and psychology, Loch introduces Effortless Mindfulness, which combines an ancient form of nondual meditation and IFS psychology that allows immediate access to our embodied awake nature which arises as our calm, clear, and compassionate healing capacity.

Connect with Loch:

Mobile App: https://lochkelly.org/mindful-glimpses

Website: https://lochkelly.org/

Podcast: https://lochkelly.org/podcast

Donate: https://lochkelly.org/donate