Men's Bible study producing good conversation but no disciples? This episode breaks down exactly why — and what a group that actually multiplies looks like.Most men's groups are stuck in what David Watson calls the "knowledge acquisition loop" — curriculum after curriculum, semester after semester, with men who know more about God but never actually go make disciples. The problem isn't the men. It's the model.In this episode:→ Why most men's Bible studies create informed men — not disciple-makers→ The knowledge acquisition loop — and why it's not the men's fault→ Why intimacy with Jesus has to come before multiplication (and what that actually means)→ The 3 values that separate a Bible study from a discipleship group→ High challenge, high grace — the culture that changes everything→ How to recruit 3–8 men and have the first honest conversation→ What the group looks like week to week — and how the D-Square works→ Why the end of the group is a send, not a graduation — and what comes nextIf you're leading a men's group, thinking about starting one, or tired of watching men go through study after study without becoming disciple-makers — this is the conversation you've been waiting for.🔗 Start a free men's discipleship group: ordinarymovement.com/mens-discipleship🔗 Free leader training (45 min): ordinarymovement.com/app-intro🔗 Church discipleship research: ordinarymovement.com/library/church-stats0:00 Men's Bible Study — Why It's Not Making Disciples2:30 What's Wrong With Most Men's Bible Studies8:00 The Knowledge Acquisition Loop — Why Men Stay Stuck14:00 Consumer Christianity — How It Killed Discipleship20:00 Men's Bible Study vs. Discipleship Group — The Real Difference26:00 How to Start a Men's Discipleship Group — The 3 Core Values34:00 Why Intimacy With Jesus Has to Come First40:00 You Can't Microwave Discipleship — The Brisket Analogy48:00 How to Start a Men's Discipleship Group — Who to Invite54:00 Why Men Need a Real Challenge — The Marine Recruiter Story58:00 How to Lead a Men's Discipleship Group Week to Week1:02:00 How to Train Men to Lead Their Own Group1:05:00 The Send — How a Men's Discipleship Group Should End1:07:00 Start a Free Men's Discipleship Group#mensbiblestudy #mensdiscipleship #discipleshipgroups