Thomas Toner is a Nashville-based producer and songwriter best known for his decade-long collaboration with Jelly Roll. In this conversation, Thomas gets honest about the business side of producing, how AI is reshaping his workflow, and why he walked away from a thriving career to return to Christian music.

• The artist-producer relationship: chemistry, trust, and knowing your role
• What producers are actually worth — and how to negotiate for it
• Master splits, recoupment, and catalog organization
• Where AI fits (and where it doesn't) in modern music production
• Faith, fulfillment, and the decision to start over
• His new producer presets via STL Tones Control Hub

[00:00] Intro

[01:43] Early influences: Travis Barker, Blink-182, and stealing his sisters' CDs

[07:00] First job in Christian music at 19

[09:50] Meeting Jelly Roll

[12:10] Can you make Christian music without believing it?

[22:38] What a decade with Jelly Roll taught him about the artist-producer relationship

[31:00] The "Walmart Rick Rubin" production philosophy

[35:35] What separates good producers from great ones

[38:05] What artists most misunderstand about producers

[43:23] Master splits, recoupment, and why the old model is broken

[55:18] Catalog admin and the revenue streams most producers are missing

[59:44] AI: tool, threat, or noise?

[01:23:00] What AI can never replicate in production

[01:35:42] What integrity looks like in this industry

[01:39:31] The hardest lessons from 15 years in the business

[01:44:56] Why he returned to Christian music

[01:51:28] His new STL Tones / Control Hub plugin presets

[01:59:37] "If your kids described your career one day, what would you hope they say?"

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