What does it really mean to own a business, not just run one?

In this episode of Get Off The Treadmill, Chuck Blakeman sits down with Andrew Rowland to explore the mindset and systems required to move from operator to true business owner.

Andrew shares how his journey, from operations management to launching and growing his own home care company, shifted when he stopped focusing on transactions and started building a business rooted in relationships, trust, and long-term thinking.

This conversation brings key 3to5 Club principles to life, showing how business owners can step off the treadmill by building systems, leveraging partnerships, and creating a company that grows beyond their daily involvement.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• The difference between running a business and truly owning one
• Why relationship-first thinking drives sustainable growth
• How to move from day-to-day operator to long-term owner
• The role of systems and partnerships in scaling your business
• Why chasing transactions keeps you stuck on the treadmill
• How to build a business that grows without constant oversight

If you’re ready to stop doing everything yourself and start building a business that works for you, not because of you, this episode will give you a practical and powerful perspective shift.

🎧 Listen now and learn how to own your business and grow it with purpose.

👤 About Andrew Rowland

Andrew Rowland is a Minnesota-based entrepreneur and founder in the home care industry. After building a strong career in operations management, he launched his own company in 2018 to make a meaningful impact in his community. Through strategic partnerships and a successful merger, he’s grown his business by focusing on relationships over transactions.

A husband, father of four, and community-minded leader, Andrew is passionate about creating growth—for his business, his clients, and the people around him.

📌 Connect with Andrew: 🌐 promisecareinc.com 📧 andrew@promisecareinc.com

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“Empowerment” has become one of the most overused and misunderstood words in business.

In this episode of Get Off The Treadmill, Chuck Blakeman challenges the idea that leaders can give power to people. Instead, he makes a compelling case that true ownership doesn’t come from empowerment, it comes from engagement.

Because here’s the reality: You can’t empower people. You can only create an environment where they choose to engage.

Chuck breaks down why traditional management models built on control, hierarchy, and permission, actually prevent people from thinking, deciding, and acting like owners. And he explains how shifting to a participation-based operating system unlocks initiative, accountability, and creativity at every level of the business.

If you want a team that acts like owners instead of employees, it starts by rethinking your role as a leader and the system you’ve built around them.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why empowerment is often a disguised form of control
• The critical difference between empowered people and engaged people
• How traditional management keeps people dependent instead of responsible
• What it takes to create true ownership inside your business
• Why engagement, not authority, drives long-term performance
• How participation-age thinking helps you get off the treadmill

If you’re tired of trying to “motivate” people and ready to build a business where people naturally take initiative, this episode will challenge your assumptions and give you a better way forward.

🎧 Listen now and discover why engagement, not empowerment, is the real key to building a business that runs without you.

In this episode of Get Off The Treadmill, Chuck Blakeman sits down with returning guest Cassie Morris to challenge one of the biggest myths in business—that you need the perfect plan before you take action.

Instead, they unpack why waiting for clarity keeps you stuck on the treadmill… and how creating a bad plan can actually be the fastest way to build momentum, gain clarity, and move toward your Business Maturity Date.

Cassie shares her real-world experience building multiple businesses and how embracing imperfect action helped her simplify decisions, reduce overwhelm, and focus on what actually matters.

Together, they explore what it looks like to stop overthinking, start executing, and build a business that produces both time and money.

Here’s what you’ll learn in this episode: ✅ Why “perfect planning” keeps business owners stuck ✅ How bad plans create clarity faster than good intentions ✅ The role of action in getting off the treadmill ✅ How to simplify decision-making in your business ✅ Why momentum—not perfection—is the real goal ✅ How to align your actions with your Business Maturity Date

If you’ve been waiting for the “right” plan before making your next move, this episode will help you let go of perfection—and start building a business that actually works for you.

🎧 Listen now and take the first imperfect step forward.

👤 About Cassie Morris Cassie Morris is an entrepreneur based in Denver, CO, and the founder of Clover Communications and Strategy, where she helps business owners streamline operations and improve processes. She’s also the owner of Dilly Dally Donut Bar in Bozeman, MT—a business rooted in authenticity, community, and connection.

🔗 Connect with Cassie: 🌐 clovercommunicationsandstrategy.com 🍩 dillydallydonutbar.com

📺 New here? Catch Cassie’s first episode: Episode #56: How Lifetime Goals Shape Your Business

Most businesses don’t have a people problem. They don’t have a strategy problem. They don’t even have a motivation problem.

They have an operating system problem.

In this episode of the Get Off The Treadmill Podcast, Chuck challenges the common instinct to fix broken businesses with surface-level solutions, new incentives, new org charts, new software, new accountability systems, without addressing the deeper issue underneath.

Because when your foundational operating system is flawed, adding improvements is just putting lipstick on a pig.

Chuck unpacks why so many organizations stay stuck in the Industrial Age model of control, management, and hierarchy, and what it actually takes to transform the core system so people can think, decide, and create value at every level.

If you’ve ever felt like you’re working harder but not getting healthier as a business, this episode will help you diagnose the real issue.

In this episode, you’ll discover:

• Why most “fixes” don’t fix anything
• The difference between optimizing a bad system and transforming it
• How outdated management models keep people disengaged
• What a healthy operating system actually looks like
• Why real transformation starts at the foundation—not the surface

If you’re serious about getting off the treadmill, stop tweaking tactics and start transforming the system that drives everything.

🎧 Listen now and learn why you don’t need more polish, you need a new operating system.

Most business owners stay stuck on the treadmill because they treat every customer the same, pitching harder instead of listening better.

In this episode, Chuck Blakeman welcomes back Valerie Reid, CEO and Founder of Simple Cremation USA, to break down why understanding how your customer thinks matters more than what you’re selling.

Drawing from her experience advising Fortune 100 companies at Deloitte and scaling a national B2B/B2C platform, Valerie shares how slowing down, asking better questions, and abandoning the “dog and pony show” helps business owners build trust, close deals, and make more money in less time.

You’ll learn:

• Why no two customers buy for the same reason
• The two questions that instantly clarify what matters to a buyer
• How listening replaces selling in relationship-based growth
• When saying “this isn’t a fit” actually strengthens your business
• How 3to5 thinking helps you get off the treadmill and serve better

If you’re tired of chasing prospects and ready to build a business around trust, clarity, and real relationships, this episode will change how you approach sales forever.

🎧 Listen now and learn how to stop selling and start serving.

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Valerie Reid is a strategic, results-driven leader with deep experience in business growth, team leadership, and innovation. After spending more than a decade at Deloitte advising Fortune 100 and 500 companies, she founded Simple Cremation USA, a national online platform connecting families with trusted funeral homes. Valerie is passionate about building value, scaling ideas that matter, and helping businesses serve people better.

🔁 Also listen to Valerie’s first appearance on the podcast: Episode 54 – How We Can Stop Hunting Trees by Finding Lumberjacks

The industrial-age workplace is breaking down and that’s good news.

In this episode, Chuck Blakeman introduces the concept of the Participation Age, a new way of working that replaces top-down control with trust, ownership, and shared responsibility. It’s about rehumanizing the workplace by giving everybody their brain back.

This episode kicks off a series exploring what it really takes to build a business where people fully participate, decisions are made where the work happens, and leaders stop managing people and start leading adults.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• What the Participation Age is and why it’s replacing the industrial-age factory system
• The two defining hallmarks of participation-age companies: participation and sharing
• Why imposed hierarchy and traditional management hold businesses back
• The difference between employees and stakeholders and why language matters
• How distributed decision-making leads to better, faster results
• Why mission becomes the boss in modern organizations
• How principles outperform policies, bureaucracy, and rulebooks

If you’re tired of running your business or your career inside a system that treats people like replaceable parts, this episode will challenge everything you’ve been taught about work.

🎧 Listen now and discover how participation-age thinking helps you get off the treadmill and build work that actually works for humans.

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• 🎥 Watch Chuck’s TEDx Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewA2BqbWhUQ
• 📘 Get the book — Rehumanizing the Workplace: Giving Everybody Their Brain Back: https://www.amazon.com/Rehumanizing-Workplace-Giving-Everybody-Their/dp/1734486902

Most business owners avoid hiring for one simple reason: They don’t want to manage people.

In this episode, Chuck sits down with Brandon Rains to challenge that assumption and show why the right hiring process eliminates the need for management altogether.

Brandon shares how he built a thriving estate planning firm with a high-performing team by hiring for culture, beliefs, and talent before skills and experience. Drawing from his years inside the 3to5 Club and real-world hiring success, this conversation reframes hiring as a long-term investment instead of a risky gamble.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why most hiring fails before the first interview even happens
• How hiring for culture first prevents future management headaches
• The difference between people who want a job and people who want meaningful work
• Why resumes and experience often hide the most important indicators
• How a multi-step hiring process causes the wrong candidates to self-select out
• Why starting with trust, not control, changes everything

If you’re tired of micromanaging, constantly fixing mistakes, or feeling trapped by your team, this episode will help you rethink hiring from the ground up and build a business that runs on ownership instead of oversight.

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👤 About Brandon Rains

Brandon Rains is an estate planning attorney who founded his firm in 2016 and has grown it to serve hundreds of clients with a team of attorneys and staff. A longtime member of the 3to5 Club, Brandon focuses on helping families pass on not just financial wealth, but also their stories and values, so inheritances become true blessings for future generations.

📧 Email: brandon@rains-law.com

What if the fastest way to improve productivity, profit, and retention wasn’t tighter control—but giving people their time back?

In this solo episode, Chuck Blakeman challenges the outdated belief that managing time equals managing performance. Drawing from real-world business examples and decades of leadership experience, Chuck explains why autonomy, trust, and outcome-based leadership consistently outperform micromanagement and rigid schedules.

This episode reframes time as one of the most powerful (and misunderstood) leadership tools—and shows how freeing people from unnecessary control unlocks better results for everyone.

In this episode, Chuck explores:

• Why managing time is a losing strategy for modern businesses
• How focusing on outcomes—not hours—drives higher performance
• The hidden cost of supervision, micromanagement, and “seat time”
• Why trust is a measurable business advantage, not a soft skill
• How giving people autonomy increases engagement, retention, and ownership
• What leaders must let go of to build a truly scalable business

If you want people who act like owners instead of employees and a business that grows without burning everyone out this episode will challenge how you think about time, leadership, and results.

🎧 Listen now and discover why giving people their time back may be the smartest business decision you make.