Jill sits down with Edward Enninful, the former British Vogue editor-in-chief who left the top of the masthead to build his own house. One year into EE72, the media and entertainment company he founded with his sister Akua, Enninful closes out 72 Magazine's first year with Rihanna on the cover, their sixth collaboration across W, British Vogue, and now 72. He and Jill trace their shared history from American Vogue in 2006 through the 40-icon British Vogue finale, then go deep on the new cover: the queen concept, photographer Szilveszter Makó's hand-painted backdrops, and why every Rihanna shoot happens overnight. Along the way: the '90s versus now, social media and the death of the curator, his Tate exhibition, advice for young creatives, and what he calls "the big flat," the collapse of silos between fashion, art, film, and music. Plus rogue rapid fire and a Prince versus Beyoncé question with only one possible answer.

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With The Devil Wears Prada 2 hitting theaters this week, Jill pulls together moments from six former guests who actually lived the job, assisting Anna Wintour, André Leon Talley, Tonne Goodman, and Vogue's other most demanding desks. Leslie Fremar (yes, the real Emily), Brian Coats, Gabriella Karefa-Johnson, Edward Barsamian, Andrew Bevan, and Karla Martínez de Salas on the 18 trunks through customs, the faxes, the $10 lunch budgets, the run-throughs, and the sink-or-swim moments that built six remarkable careers. What Andrea Sachs couldn't handle in a day, these six did for years.

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In a role reversal, Ned Martel takes the mic to interview Jill about her two decades at Vogue, timed to the release of The Devil Wears Prada 2. As the assistant who hired Lauren Weisberger, and the woman who turns up on page 21 of the novel, Jill has a firsthand stake in a story the culture keeps retelling. She walks Ned through the day the galley arrived, Anna's pivot from private hurt to public ownership of the movie, and her own running defense of the leather pants.

From there the conversation opens into an oral history of the job. Jill describes Vogue in 1998: no iPhones, twenty-five handwritten phone messages waiting every morning, a diary read upside-down across the desk, and a telepathy with Anna so refined that hearing her own name was sometimes the whole question. She lays out the Monday fashion, Tuesday features, Thursday scheduling choreography, and the creative friction between Grace Coddington, Camilla Nickerson, and Anna that produced stories no other magazine could match.

Jill and Ned trade stories about the September 2006 Marie Antoinette cover at Versailles, the La La Land campaign and the notes Anna accidentally sent to Damien Chazelle, the cautionary tale of The Shipping News, the Lady Gaga anniversary issue, and the Chanel sunglasses Jill hunted across every Four Seasons gift shop in the country. She reflects on what she inherited from Anna: efficiency, anticipation, and the refusal to take no for an answer. The episode closes with Anna's own going-away speech for Jill, read aloud for the first time.

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Going Rogue is produced by Jill Demling and Maddie Kelly, who also serves as our social media director. Matty Rosenberg is the executive producer Be sure to follow Going Rogue on your favorite podcast platform.
Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.