What is the "gray zone" and who is trying to understand it? Lindy Kyzer and Brian Drake give it a shot and they also get some help from national security expert and former Intelligence Officer Timothy "Tito" Torres. Brian interviews Tito on his personal and political exploration of U.S. foreign policy and how it intersects with the America First policy of the Trump Administration. Tito tells us about his international travels and interviews with political leaders, policy makers, military members, and intelligence professionals. He asks some hard questions about the future of American alliances and where the private sector may play a more prominent role in building coalitions to counter our enemies.

Music by Gramatik from the album #Digitalfreedom

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