Today’s episode lingers.

I’m joined by Pamela Topjian, whose path winds through nursing, holistic healing, hypnotherapy—and a personal transformation shaped by trauma, resilience, and something harder to name. After more than a decade inside the healthcare system, she began to question not just how we treat illness, but what healing really means… and what might be missing.

This conversation is more than a career shift. It’s a story of survival, of leaving abuse, of reaching a breaking point—and stepping into the unknown. From a cross-country bus ride with nothing but hope, to guiding others through their own inner landscapes, Pamela’s journey carries the quiet weight of starting over when everything falls apart.

We explore the edges of traditional healthcare, the misunderstood nature of hypnotherapy, and the deeper pull that leads people to help others—especially after they’ve walked through darkness themselves.

This episode touches on domestic abuse, trauma, and moments of emotional crisis. If you or someone you know is experiencing domestic/spousal abuse or struggling with suicidal thoughts, confidential help is available 24/7:

• 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline
Call or text: 988
Chat: 988lifeline.org

• National Domestic Violence Hotline
Call: 1-800-799-7233 (SAFE)
Text: START to 88788
Chat: thehotline.org

• Crisis Text Line
Text: HOME to 741741

• RAINN (Sexual Assault Support)
Call: 800-656-HOPE
Chat: online.rainn.org

• StrongHearts Native Helpline
Call: 1-844-7NATIVE (762-8483)

• Love is Respect (for young people)
Call: 1-866-331-9474
Text: LOVEIS to 22522

And if you would like to support Pamela's work, Please feel free to follow her Podcast or purchase any of her books linked here:

Pamela Topjian YouTube

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