What happened with Anthropic's Mythos and Fable models? Why did Anthropic's approach to AI safety trigger such strong backlash? What does this mean for the future of AI regulation? What role does open-source AI play in this new era of AI control? How will this impact Chinese AI labs and open-source AI models?

In this episode, I talk with Nathan Lambert, a leading expert on open-source AI. He previously led post-training at Ai2, founded The ATOM Project, and writes the popular Interconnects AI newsletter.

Topics covered:

- Anthropic, Mythos, Fable, and the Claude controversy

- Are Anthropic’s AI safety claims sincere?

- Silent degradation, trust, and researcher backlash

- Open science, open-source AI, and safety

- How will Anthropic's new safety features impact Chinese AI labs?

- The “AGI era” of AI governance

- Is open-source AI safer or riskier?

- Why US developers use Chinese open-source models

- What Nathan learned from visiting China’s AI labs

- Are Chinese AI labs AGI-pilled?Follow Nathan Lambert:

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In this episode of the High Capacity podcast, I talk with Matt Sheehan, Senior Fellow at the Carnegie Endowment, about the next phase of the US-China AI race: AI safety, open-source models, AI agents, job displacement, and what the US and China might discuss with each other.

As the U.S. and China prepare for formal talks on AI, both sides are wrestling with a fast-changing technology landscape. The U.S. is increasingly worried about frontier model risks, cyber threats, non-state actors, and pre-release testing. China, meanwhile, is becoming more concerned about AI’s impact on jobs, social stability, political control, and the rise of autonomous AI agents.

We discuss what China really fears about AI, why Beijing’s AI governance strategy is shifting from control to deployment to broader regulation, how open-source AI might complicate safety talks, and what realistic US-China talks on AI might look like.

Topics covered:

U.S.-China AI talks, AI safety, Chinese AI policy, AI agents, OpenClaw, open-source AI, frontier models, cyber risk, AI job displacement, China’s AI regulations, autonomous weapons, AI hotlines, and the future of AI governance.

Links:

- Matt Sheehan’s Substack

- Matt Sheehan’s Carnegie page

- “China is getting worried about AI & jobs”

- “China Is Worried About AI Companions. Here’s What It’s Doing About Them.”

- Matt Sheehan on Twitter: @mattsheehan88

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More about the host, Kyle Chan, fellow at Brookings

China’s biotech and healthcare sectors are evolving at extraordinary speed — from AI-powered “doctor avatars” and digital health super apps to a wave of Chinese drug innovation reshaping the global pharmaceutical industry.

In this episode, I speak with physician and healthcare strategist Dr. Ruby Wang about the latest trends in China's AI + healthcare innovation.We discuss:

• Why Western pharma companies are rushing to license Chinese drugs
• China’s rise as a global biotech powerhouse
• AI doctors, digital hospitals, and health super apps
• The role of Alibaba, Ant Group, and DeepSeek in healthcare
• Why China’s healthcare digitization is moving faster than the West
• The future of AI in medicine and diagnosticsChinese medical devices, robotics, and healthcare hardware
• How Chinese regulators accelerated biotech innovation
• Whether healthcare can become China’s next major global export industry
• The challenges China still faces in healthcare access and inequality

Ruby Wang is a UK-trained physician, founder of China Health Pulse, and author of the upcoming book China Cure, which explores the global impact of China’s biotech and AI healthcare advances.

Links:

China Health Pulse newsletter and podcast: https://www.chinahealthpulse.com/

For transcripts and more, check out the ⁠High Capacity newsletter⁠: https://www.highcapacity.org/

More about the host, Kyle Chan: https://www.kyleichan.com/