What should you do with your life - when there’s no clear path to follow?

Whether you’re just starting out or rethinking your direction later in life, figuring out what comes next can feel overwhelming - especially when traditional career paths no longer seem to fit.

In this episode of The Gen X/Z Exchange, we're joined by Charlie Rogers, author of Undefinable Life Design, to explore a different way of thinking about careers, purpose and progression.

Charlie introduces the idea of the “Undefinable Ascent” - a more flexible, personalised approach to building a life and career that doesn’t follow a conventional path, but still leads to meaningful and sustainable success.

You’ll learn:

• How to figure out what you want to do with your life - at any age
• Why traditional career paths don’t work for everyone anymore
• How to find a 'good enough' job when you’re starting out
• What it means to develop a Signature Expression that AI can’t replace
• How to combine your skills and interests in the 'Semi-professional zone'
• How to avoid comparing yourself to others on more conventional career paths
• Ideas to rethink your direction without blowing up the life you’ve already built

We also reflect on how Charlie’s framework applies across generations - from figuring things out in your 20s to redefining what comes next in your 40s or 50s - and we share our own ideas on our 'golden threads' and next steps.

Listen in and you’ll discover a more flexible, realistic way to think about your career - one that works with who you are, not against it.

Hit play now and start designing a life that actually fits.

Contact Charlie here:

https://www.undefinablelifedesign.com/

Buy the book here:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/undefinable-life-design-unique-sustains/dp/1919392300/

0.49 Introduction to Charlie

3.00 What is an 'Undefinable'?

3.43 The Undefinable Ascent explained

9.30 Mapping your interests

12.10 Finding a 'good enough' job to start with

16.58 How to develop your Signature Expression that AI can't replace

18.15 The semi-professional zone and how to combine your strengths in unique ways

19.50 Parallels between people in the 20s and 40s/50s

21.21 How to stop comparing yourself to others taking a more conventional route

25.45 How to break out of the conventional career ladder without blowing everything up

29.19 The Energy Toolkit: managing your energy - do you need a holiday or a midlife rethink?

31.33 How to combine your skills in the semi-professional zone

34.22 Your Golden Thread

35.03 Choosing your next mountain

39.30 Charlie asks us what we think our Golden Threads are

41.55 The importance of having someone to work with on your ascent

42.50 Contacting Charlie and getting the book

The Gen X/Z Exchange is a UK podcast exploring career change, purpose, wellbeing and modern life through honest conversations between a Gen X dad and his Gen Z daughter - helping you navigate life’s transitions with perspective across generations.

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