Lauren interviews Tyler about his trip to Mexico to use Ibogaine to quit kratom. After many prior attempts to stop in the years before, this treatment helped to reset his brain enough to get on the right track and finally achieve abstinence for just over six months at the date of interview. NOTE: Ibogaine comes with some risks, and it is important to research these, and to screen the quality and check the references of any provider to ensure safety.

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J.P. works in the mental health field but struggled with an escalating kratom habit that eventually led to him having to make two out of state trips a week to resupply. Drawing from his experience in alcohol recovery for six years, this week's guest (a 40-something divorced dad of two) relied on a range of tools and resources to quit kratom a half a year ago.

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This week's guest Bob from Philly talks with Charlie about his disordered use of kratom extracts escalating to 7-OH over a period of three years. He said it was the only substance he had to go "get more" when it ran out. Bob quit cold turkey with the help of faith and music, and is trying to retrain his brain to do activities he used to mostly enjoy by loading up on kratom. Shout out to his auto mechanic buddy - they listen to the podcast every Monday and discuss (thanks!).

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