When you're hiking a difficult trail, there's one question almost everyone asks:

"How much further?"

In this episode of Liberator, Chelsea shares the story of tackling one of the most challenging hikes she's ever completed in Yosemite National Park. Along the way, she noticed a familiar question being passed between hikers—and realized how closely it mirrors the journey toward freedom from pornography, betrayal trauma, and addiction recovery.

Whether you're just starting your healing journey or you've been climbing for a while, this conversation explores what it means to keep moving forward when the path feels steep, uncertain, and exhausting.

Can using accountability software actually become unhealthy?

In this episode of Liberator, Chelsea and Layton have an honest conversation about monitoring apps — the good, the necessary, and the potential hazards of using them without discernment.

Chelsea shares how, in the early stages of betrayal trauma recovery, checking monitoring reports became an obsession fueled by fear, anger, and a desperate need for safety. Together, they unpack the difference between using accountability tools wisely and depending on them as our source of identity and security.

We're revisiting one of our favorite episodes this week on Liberator.

Our friend Scott Kedersha joins us to discuss the challenges and impact of pornography in relationships. Scott is the National Director of Merge and Foundation Groups at Watermark Community Church. He shares his personal journey and how he became passionate about helping couples build strong marriages. Scott provides insights on how to address pornography addiction, the dangers of watching pornography together, and the importance of finding hope in difficult situations. He emphasizes the need for open conversations about pornography and the role of faith in strengthening marriages. Scott also introduces his books and podcast, which provide practical guidance and encouragement for couples. The conversation explores the importance of pursuing Jesus and practicing humility in marriage.
Scott's Books:

Ready or Knot? 12 Conversations Every Couple Needs to Have before Marriage by Scott Kedersha

The Ready or Knot Prayer Guide: 100 Prayers for Dating and Engaged Couples by Scott Kadersha