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Say It Anyway

Say It Anyway

著者: SE Ranking x Planable
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概要

Say It Anyway is the podcast where we say the things about digital marketing you’re technically supposed to keep to yourself. Every week, hosts Mordy Oberstein (Head of Brand, SE Ranking) and Miruna Dragomir (CMO, Planable) take an honest — sometimes uncomfortably honest — look at what’s actually happening across the modern marketing landscape.

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  • You have to be crazy to advertise on ChatGPT!
    2026/05/07

    Short answer: yes. Long answer: this episode.

    ChatGPT is running ads at $60 per impression. Not per click — per impression. That’s Super Bowl money, for a platform where the majority of users still aren’t seeing any ads, you have almost no visibility into who you’re reaching, and the audience came specifically for an answer — not an ad.

    Mordy and Miruna break down why this feels less like a media buy and more like a fundraising mechanism for OpenAI’s investors — and why the brands currently signing up tend to be the AT&Ts of the world, not the Verizons. Second-tier players in their categories spending Super Bowl budgets for approximately none of the Super Bowl upside.

    The bigger point: if your brand isn’t showing up in AI results organically, an ad won’t fix that. It’s a brand problem, not a budget problem — and the solution is building the kind of presence that AI wants to mention without being paid to.

    Jordan Koene, founder of Previsible and host of the Voices of Search podcast, joins to talk about exactly what that looks like in practice.


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    20 分
  • Stop Using AI for Output — Use It as Your Audience
    2026/04/28

    “How much more can we produce with AI?” is the wrong question.

    Everyone is measuring AI adoption by output: more content, more copy, more campaigns, more. Mordy Oberstein and Miruna Dragomir argue that framing has teams convinced they’re getting value from AI when they’re actually getting the least interesting thing from it.

    The smarter move? Use it as your audience.

    Miruna built a custom GPT trained on her brand’s target personas — not to generate content, but to push back on it. The AI’s job wasn’t to help. It was to simulate a skeptical reader and flag where the messaging wasn’t landing. The result? More useful than any creative brief.

    From stress-testing a strategy pitch against a simulated CEO to understanding how LLMs reflect internet-wide perception of your brand, this episode makes the case that AI’s real value isn’t in the output it produces — it’s in the thinking it forces.

    Amanda Natividad, VP of Marketing at SparkToro, joins with her own take on using AI for audience research and strategic input rather than task automation.


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    18 分
  • [Debate] Budgeting for multi-engine search: Where should your next $10K go?
    2025/12/16

    At SEO Foresight 2026 on December 9, join widely respected voices in search—Barry Schwartz, Melissa Popp, Erin Sparks and Grace Frohlich—for a grounded discussion on how teams are planning budgets across today’s multi-engine landscape.

    With Google’s AI Mode reshaping results and “answer engines” gaining traction, this session compares real-world approaches without one-size-fits-all prescriptions.

    What’s on the agenda?

    • Ways teams prioritize among content, citations/PR, technical work, and partnerships/data—plus common trade-offs.
    • What “impact” can mean in 2026: inclusion in AI answers, citation quality, and durable brand visibility.
    • Practical considerations for planning and measurement across multiple surfaces (no one-size-fits-all).

    Join to hear different perspectives and gather ideas for your own 2026 discussions. Grab your free seat now.


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    38 分
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