Pooja Bavishi grew up knowing exactly who she was at home. Gujarati Jain, deeply proud of her heritage, fluent in the language of her culture and her family. But the moment her family moved from an inclusive tight-knit community in Pennsylvania to Charlotte, North Carolina, something shifted. The world around her didn't accept her fully, and for years she couldn't fully explain why.

In this episode of Sense of Self, Dr. Gowri Aragam sits down with Pooja Bavishi, founder of Malai, a Brooklyn-based ice cream company that has become one of the most beloved and culturally significant food brands in the country. What starts as a conversation about ice cream quickly becomes something much deeper. A story about belonging, about the cost of feeling othered, about the defense mechanisms we build to protect ourselves, and about what happens when you stop waiting for a community that feels like home and decide to build one yourself.

One flavor at a time.

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https://www.malai.co/
https://www.instagram.com/malai_icecream/

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00:10 Meet Pooja of Malai
02:40 The Meaning of Puja
10:55 Belonging in Pennsylvania
16:37 Culture Shock in Charlotte
33:38 Sisterhood and fairness
35:12 Craving Indian community
37:41 Intimidated by desi peers
41:29 Malai as identity unlock
52:03 Founder lows and letting go

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• The individuals in this podcast have graciously shared their stories and it's important to note that while these discussions are enriching and enlightening, they are not a substitute for therapy or mental healthcare.
• Please note that each guest has given their consent to participate, had full control over what aspects of their journey were shared, and either currently engages in therapy or coaching, or has done so in the past.

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KJ is the nickname she chose, the armor she built, the stage she never stopped standing on. But behind the confidence and the cultural commentary and the perfectly matched lipstick is Kristen: the middle child who felt like the ugly duckling, the founder who nearly didn't make it out, the mother whose daughter became her reason to keep going.

In this episode of Sense of Self, Dr. Gowri Aragam sits down with Kristen Jones Miller, better known as KJ, co-founder of Mented Cosmetics, host of the Queen Things podcast, content creator, professor, and soon-to-be author, for the conversation behind the brand.

What unfolds is a story about identity built layer by layer: from a girl in Columbus who learned to be funny because she had to, to an HBS grad who walked into entrepreneurship knowing the odds and doing it anyway, to a founder who spent a year watching her company deteriorate in real time while quietly, privately, almost silently falling apart. And about what it looks like to sell the thing you built from your own wounds, and somehow find your way back to loving it again.

This one is equal parts hilarious, devastating, and deeply alive.

Meet KJ!
Kristen Jones Miller, known as KJ, is the co-founder of Mented Cosmetics, a beauty brand celebrating the beauty of darker skin tones, which she co-founded in 2017 out of Harvard Business School. She is the creator and host of the Queen Things podcast, a content creator, a professor at Ohio State University, and a soon-to-be author. She lives in Ohio with her husband K'idar, and their daughter Kayla.

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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kjmiller/
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@iam_kjmiller
Queen Things Podcast: https://tr.ee/I0h4kIx-e1
Mented Cosmetics: https://www.mentedcosmetics.com/

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00:00 Chasing What Lights You Up
00:33 Meet KJ and the Show
03:26 Origins of the Name KJ
04:14 Middle Child Roots
07:11 Privilege and Expectations
10:55 Idyllic Columbus Bubble
12:21 Skin Tone and Humor
15:14 KJ as Armor
18:37 Meeting Her Husband
21:02 College to Business School
23:37 Entrepreneurship North Star
28:52 Building Mented Beauty
33:01 Founder Foundation Talk
33:51 Oprah Favorite Things High
35:22 Maternity Leave Cash Crunch
36:56 Highs Lows Reality Check
39:08 Postpartum Depression Signs
40:07 Zoloft Decision Relief
43:08 Losing Optimism Signal
47:09 Reunion Breakdown 2023
49:39 Con Artist Deal Spiral
50:35 Board Ultimatum Hail Mary
52:37 Vulnerability Survival Mode
56:27 Relief After Sale
57:59 Content Creator Era
01:00:10 Multihyphenate Identity
01:02:30 Parenting Passion First
01:03:54 Final Thanks Subscribe

This episode includes discussion of postpartum depression and suicidal ideation, which may be distressing for some listeners. If you find yourself experiencing difficult emotions, please consider pausing the episode, returning at another time, and reaching out to a trusted person or a professional.

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This episode was edited by Brie Mittan
This episode was produced by Dr. Gowri Aragam and Brie Mittan

A note on ethics, process, and safety:

• The individuals in this podcast have graciously shared their stories and it's important to note that while these discussions are enriching and enlightening, they are not a substitute for therapy or mental healthcare.
• Please note that each guest has given their consent to participate, had full control over what aspects of their journey were shared, and either currently engages in therapy or coaching, or has done so in the past.

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Dr. Dhivya Srinivasa walked into plastic surgery residency as one of the most confident women she knew. The eldest daughter of Indian immigrant feminists, a person who had never once questioned her own capability. And then the system got to work.

In this episode of Sense of Self, Dr. Gowri Aragam sits down with Dr. Dhivya Srinivasa, double board-certified plastic and reconstructive surgeon, microsurgeon, founder and CEO of the Institute for Advanced Breast Reconstruction, founder of Avara Skincare, and one of the most compelling voices in medicine today with over 600,000 Instagram followers, for the conversation behind the highlight reel.

What unfolds is a story about what happens when the identity you've spent a lifetime building gets systematically dismantled by the very institution you sacrificed everything to join. A story about clinical depression that had nothing to do with postpartum and everything to do with a toxic culture designed to break people. And about what it looks like to walk away from the prestige, the title, the academic institution, and build something entirely your own.

This one will stay with you.

Meet Dr. Srinivasa!
Dr. Dhivya Srinivasa is a double board-certified plastic and reconstructive surgeon and microsurgeon based in Los Angeles. She is the founder and CEO of the Institute for Advanced Breast Reconstruction, with locations across LA and Austin, Texas, and the founder of Avara Skincare, a line hand-formulated with a private chemist for women at every stage of life. She is a mother of three and a growing voice on social media with over 600,000 Instagram followers.

Connect with Dhivya:
Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/drdhivyasrinivasa/
Institute for Advanced Breast Reconstruction:
https://www.theiabr.com/
Inside Thoughts Out Loud: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/inside-thoughts-out-loud/id1879385691

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00:00 Identity Shattered Teaser
00:16 Meet Dr Dhivya
02:45 Roots and Family Names
04:06 SoCal Upbringing Values
06:00 Confidence Built at Home
09:59 Eldest Daughter Energy
11:13 High Expectations No Anxiety
14:59 Bullying and Armor
17:11 Money Mindset and Drive
19:22 Parenting in a New Era
22:42 Residency Broke the Confidence
29:04 Toxic Labels in Plastic Surgery
30:53 Toxic Residency Spiral
32:36 Fresh Start at UCSF
35:02 Therapy and Reframing Reality
38:49 Drug Test Breaking Point
44:00 Anxiety and Burnout Fallout
46:38 Quitting to Protect Yourself
48:46 Rebuilding Confidence
51:15 Choosing Yourself Like Cancer
54:57 Life as Surgeon Entrepreneur
57:59 Why People Stay Stuck
59:05 Identity and Closing Thoughts

A note on ethics, process, and safety:

• The individuals in this podcast have graciously shared their stories and it's important to note that while these discussions are enriching and enlightening, they are not a substitute for therapy or mental healthcare.
• Please note that each guest has given their consent to participate, had full control over what aspects of their journey were shared, and either currently engages in therapy or coaching, or has done so in the past.

Thanks from all of us at Sense of Self