Stephan Bajaio — CEO and co-founder of Vibe Logic, former co-founder of Conductor, and ex-CMO — joins Jeremy Rivera on the Unscripted SEO Podcast for one of the most candid conversations we've had about why the SEO industry keeps losing the narrative about itself — and what practitioners can actually do about it.

Stephan built his career from the dot-com era through to co-founding one of the largest enterprise SEO platforms ever built. He's seen the industry from every angle — agency, platform, C-suite — and he doesn't pull punches about where we've gone wrong or how to fix it.

• Why the GEO / AIO naming debate is a symptom of a bigger identity problem — and why fixing it starts with SEOs, not executives
• What SEO actually is when you strip away the jargon: connecting organizational wisdom to the audience that needs it
• The lonely island problem — why even great SEOs fail when the content team, dev team, and CMO aren't aligned
• How conflicting KPIs create internal friction and a practical approach to working with — not against — the people who control execution
• Why the best keyword research is a conversation — Jeremy's concrete-wall installer example and how to build content from real expert interviews
• Content value beyond organic traffic — why reporting only on organic is leaving most of the story untold
• Vibe Logic's 'web presence intelligence' framework and the concept of being where decisions are formed, not just where they're made
• Why passion is the one trait in great SEOs you simply cannot teach