If you're in the middle of a divorce, or thinking about divorce right now, you need to listen to this episode. Not after it's over. Not when you've figured everything out. Right. Now.

Geoff Fountain is in the middle of an 18-year relationship that is coming to an end. Two kids. A shared life. And now he's rewriting his future. And at one point, Geoff turns the tables and starts asking us questions. Questions we've both had to answer ourselves.

How do you know you're doing the right thing?
What gets easier?
What do you wish you had known?

There are no villains in this story. It's ust an honest conversation about marriage, divorce, co-parenting, uncertainty, and what comes next.

For any man trying to navigate one of the hardest seasons of his life, this is a conversation worth hearing.

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This Father's Day week, we're doing something we've never done before.
For the first time in Back 9 history, we have a full episode with just the two of us.
No guest. No expert. No one else to play off of… It's just two guys sitting across from each other talking about what it feels like with our kids grown and living on their own, and looking back at the fathers we tried to be.

We talk about raising daughters and the ways they challenged us, changed us, and taught us things we never expected to learn. We revisit divorce, long-distance parenting, the moments we got right, and the moments we'd give anything to do over. There are stories in this episode we've never shared before. Some are funny. Some are raw. Several still make us emotional all these years later.

If you've ever wondered whether you did enough as a parent, if you've carried regret, or if you're trying to build a stronger relationship with your kids today than you had yesterday, this one's for you.

Happy Father's Day from The Back 9.

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Season 13 starts with an announcement:

Over the past year, we've been building something bigger than a podcast — a book about how men heal, rebuild, and find healthy relationships after midlife divorce. It's now in front of major publishers, and the response has reinforced something we've believed from the beginning: Men need hope.

This season will continue that conversation through stories about relationships, fatherhood, purpose, health, and second chances.We also talk summer plans, Bills vs. Bears, engagement parties, the strange ways sports loyalty gets passed through families, and our partnership with Hammer & Nails.

A new season. A lot in motion.

Time to make the turn.

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This season started with a daughter getting engaged, included 3 graduations, and ended with a toast by the campfire.

That's what the 19th Hole is for.

Every season, we take a breath and look back at the conversations that stayed with us. And this season had plenty.

We talked about the pull of the wrong relationships after divorce. Knowing yourself before saying "I do." The discipline of co-parenting without letting ego take over.

And we led off with Misty. A story still being written, and one we're grateful to have witnessed up close.

Somewhere along the way there was Guinness, Sting, law school milestones and a trip to St. John, but Season 12 is in the books.

So here's to everybody who spent part of their season with us. Time to split the G….on the Back 9

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Paul Pabst has spent nearly 20 years producing The Dan Patrick Show, so yes…this episode has stories.

Chris Rock refusing to leave the studio.
Clint Eastwood at Pebble Beach.
Dale Jr. admitting he got into racing because he wanted his dad to talk to him.

But the story that stays with you?
Paul named his daughter Peyton after Walter Payton. And years later, he's standing at a Super Bowl party telling that story to Walter's son…trying not to cry.

This episode is about the people who shape us, the mentors who push us, and the things we carry into fatherhood, teaching, work and legacy.

(And there's some behind-the-scenes tales behind the Dan Patrick Show along the way)

It's a lean back and listen episode of The Back 9.

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Ryan Vesce played professional hockey in six countries. He also went through back surgery, hip surgery, chronic pain and the kind of physical wear that ends a lot of careers early.

What changed everything? Frustration. And then desperation.

We talk with Ryan about hitting a point where "manage it" stopped being a good enough answer. So he and his strength coach started pulling best-in-practice ideas from practitioners in all the different countries he playeid in, just to keep him on the ice.

That mindset eventually became Matterhorn Fit and his post-playing passion.

This episode isn't about hockey.
It's about refusing to accept that broken is permanent on a new episode of The Back 9.

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Most people think culture just happens. But it doesn't. This week on The Back 9, we sit down with Herbie Lopez, GM of Toyota of Hollywood, to talk about how he's built one of the top-performing dealerships in the country—and why the numbers aren't the point.

Herbie shares how he got into the business after losing his father at 19, the influence of his uncle Tony, and what he's learned about leading a thousand-person operation. We get into what it really takes to change a culture, keep it intact, and measure success in ways that go beyond sales.

The conversation turns when he talks about hitting the same age his father was when he passed. That's where things started to shift—health, time, and how he looks at the work.

If you're leading people, building something, or starting to think about what all of it adds up to, this one will resonate… on The Back 9.

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The hardest part after a divorce isn't always the divorce.

This week on the Back 9, we sit down with Dr. Barbark Kelly to talk about co-parenting, and why it's often the part of divorce that lingers the longest.

We get into what happens when youand your ex don't agree on what's best for your kids, how communication breaks down, and why a more structured approach can help steady things. But more than anything, this is how you show up for your kids in the middle of it.

We also make it personal. With big milestones ahead, we're both dedicated to handling these moments in the right way, and we explore how to do just that.

Your kids are paying attention.(paragraph). If you're in it now, or just trying to do it better, this one will resonate...on the Back 9.

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