Andrew Webley is back for episode three. Since we last spoke in July, Smarter Web Company has achieved its London Stock Exchange main market listing, entered the FTSE All Share and FTSE Small Cap indices, grown its Bitcoin stack to nearly 2,700 BTC, and completed an acquisition that has grown revenue by roughly 10x. Not bad for a bear market.

Jordan sits back down with Andrew to find out what's next, what Saylor told him at Strategy World, why he believes a Bitcoin treasury company will one day be the biggest company in the UK, and what a UK income equity product could look like.

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CHAPTERS:

00:00 Coming up

00:34 Andrew returns to the podcast

02:15 Why bear markets help builders

02:58 What SWC achieved in the last six months

03:48 FTSE index inclusion and what it means

05:19 Share price vs MNAV frustration

07:22 What shareholders should track instead of price

08:44 Why treasuries can beat ETFs over time

13:20 The three education jobs SWC must do

15:44 What Andrew saw at Strategy World

22:26 Debanking still holding the UK back

25:27 Everything slowly then suddenly

28:19 Next milestones FTSE 250 and beyond

34:39 What the LSE listing changed with institutions

38:07 Stretch and the idea of UK income equity

45:19 Why the operating business matters

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The UK says it wants to be a global crypto hub. But banks are still closing accounts for anyone who touches Bitcoin, stablecoin holding caps are being proposed, and a Bitcoin ETN U-turn is threatening to force retail investors to lock in losses. So is the UK actually serious, or just saying the right things?

Keith Grose, CEO of Coinbase UK, joins Jordan Walker to give his honest take on where the UK stands, what's going wrong, and what needs to change.Available now on YouTube and all podcast platforms.🇬🇧 Join the UK Bitcoin Business Network: https://bitcoincollective.co/bbn/CONTACT JORDAN:X: https://x.com/JayW132LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-walker-293955106/Email: hello@bitcoincollective.coCONTACT KEITH:X: https://x.com/kmgroseLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keithgrose/Chapters:00:00 Intro and why banking apps will add crypto00:49 Keith joins the show01:19 Keith’s role as CEO of Coinbase UK02:13 Is the UK serious about being a crypto hub03:30 Keith’s background in payments infrastructure05:22 UK vs US on innovation and regulation08:17 What the UK must do to stay competitive09:24 Fixing regulatory clarity and stablecoin rules10:03 The UK culture shift around investing12:18 Coinbase equities and why investing habits matter13:47 Debanking in the UK why it’s still happening15:51 Two types of debanking and why both matter21:50 Stablecoins and Lightning practical use cases26:21 How banks are reacting behind the scenes30:50 Why institutions are moving faster than retail35:32 The stablecoin holding cap problem in the UK39:22 The Bitcoin ETN ISA mess and shifting goalposts42:05 Making Bitcoin a normal long term holding47:54 What a pro innovation UK framework looks like51:00 Closing thoughts and wrap upREAD OUR NEWSLETTER:https://newsletter.bitcoincollective.co/LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06sBiOznJDxuhafDmkE9VK?si=3f0a8bb8abd64eecApple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-bitcoin-collective/id1561573613Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/AYHiNhTTv0HOgGEjRjWNYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@bitcoincollective?sub_confirmation=1All content provided by The Bitcoin Collective and guests in this episode is for informational and educational purposes only and is not financial, trading, or investment advice.⸻EDITED BY JAMES PEARCELinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-pearcesf/Available now on YouTube and all major podcast platforms.

Coinbase UK CEO: Why Britain Is Still Getting It WrongCoinbase UK CEO: Debanking Is Driving Business Out of the UKIs The UK Even Serious About Being A Crypto Hub?

Most Bitcoin treasury companies are sitting on their Bitcoin and paying custody fees. But there's a way to make that Bitcoin work, earning native yield on the Lightning Network, without giving up your keys or taking on counterparty risk.Dave Lund, co-founder of FlowRate, joins Jordan Walker to break down one of the most underexplored business models in Bitcoin right now, and why treasury companies may be the key to unlocking the Lightning Network's next phase of growth.Available now on YouTube and all podcast platforms.🇬🇧 Join the UK Bitcoin Business Network: https://bitcoincollective.co/bbn/CONTACT JORDAN:X: https://x.com/JayW132LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-walker-293955106/Email: hello@bitcoincollective.coCONTACT DAVE:X: https://x.com/davelund_Flowrate: https://www.flowrate.com/ Chapters: 00:00 Coming Up00:31 Welcome and why Lightning matters01:13 Dave’s background and why he built Flowrate03:12 Swedish Bitcoin Association and Lightning growth04:37 Bitcoin as asset vs money and why payments matter08:51 Utility argument and why Lightning unlocks adoption10:53 What Flowrate is and the Lightning “ISP” analogy19:29 How Flowrate works with treasury companies27:11 Liquidity leasing explained for businesses34:00 The inbound liquidity problem and why it blocks adoption42:30 Security trade-offs and how to deploy safely54:02 ARK and what comes after Lightning55:30 Closing thoughts and follow-up planREAD OUR NEWSLETTER:https://newsletter.bitcoincollective.co/LISTEN / SUBSCRIBE:Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/06sBiOznJDxuhafDmkE9VK?si=3f0a8bb8abd64eecApple: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-bitcoin-collective/id1561573613Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/AYHiNhTTv0HOgGEjRjWNYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@bitcoincollective?sub_confirmation=1All content provided by The Bitcoin Collective and guests in this episode is for informational and educational purposes only and is not financial, trading, or investment advice.⸻EDITED BY JAMES PEARCELinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-pearcesf/Available now on YouTube and all major podcast platforms.#Bitcoin #Flowrate #lightningnetwork The Lightning Network Business Model Nobody Is Talking AboutThe Bitcoin Yield Strategy Most Treasury Companies Haven't Tried YetHow to Earn Yield on Bitcoin Without Giving Up Your Keys