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The Developmental

The Developmental

著者： Alis Anagnostakis (Ph.D.)
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 A podcast about the messy, beautiful ways grown-ups grow up. Leaders, learning experts and developmental researchers come together to explore turning science into the day-to-day practice of adult development in teams, homes, organisations, and life. Dr Alis Anagnostakis is an adult development researcher, group learning facilitator and founder of the Vertical Development Institute. Her highest hope as a researcher-practitioner is to help support the growth of conscious, mature and future-fit leaders and to bring the tools of vertical development into day-to-day to day life.

www.verticaldevelopment.education©Alis Anagnostakis Ph.D. マネジメント マネジメント・リーダーシップ 社会科学 科学 経済学
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  • Reinventing HR for the Age of Disruption

    Reinventing HR for the Age of Disruption
    2026/03/27
    In this episode of The Developmental, I’m in conversation with one of the wisest, most conscious HR leaders I know: Fleur Carter. Fleur has spent over twenty years inside one of the world’s largest and most innovative retail organisations, experimenting with what leadership development could become when the old playbooks stop working. Fleur and I have been in each other’s orbit for several years now, connected by a shared passion for vertical development and a growing inquiry about what the people function needs to become in this era of relentless disruption. This conversation grew out of several unrecorded ones - and true to form, we didn’t script it. We followed the thread and got to places we both found insightful, and I hope you do too.What emerged is an honest exploration of what it takes to do developmental work at enterprise scale from the inside - from the story of a CEO who volunteered his own vulnerability as the starting point for collective change, to the structural redesigns needed when governance and reward systems actively work against the mindset shifts the business says it wants. I came away holding a question that I think will stay with me for a while: what does it take to learn to breathe in free fall, when there are no more footholds between one disruption and the next?Episode Highlights00:00 - Welcome & IntroAlis introduces Fleur and frames the conversation around reinventing HR in an age where disruption has become the norm rather than the exception.03:00 - We Are All “In Over Our Heads”Fleur reflects on Robert Kegan’s metaphor of ‘being in over our heads’ and how the assumption that disruption is temporary seems to have collapsed. A Buddhist teacher’s provocation: what if we stopped looking for footholds and accepted we are in free fall?10:00 - From Buddhism to Bob KeganHow Fleur’s personal journey through yoga, Buddhism, and living in India converged with her discovery of adult development theory and the links of modern psychology with ancient wisdom.14:00 - A CEO Goes FirstA new CEO with an intuition that what got them here wouldn’t get them there, and how volunteering his own Immunity to Change Map as the example for leaning into developmental discomfort became a catalyst for change. 17:30 - What Immunity to Change Actually DoesAlis and Fleur unpack the ITC process, including its power as both an individual mirror and a collective diagnostic tool for surfacing the hidden assumptions holding a business back.22:30 - Why Trying Harder Doesn’t WorkThe belief that failure to change means laziness or lack of discipline - and how organisations get trapped in cycles of pushing harder through more programs, more comms, more performance management.31:00 - Capability vs. CapacityThe distinction that changes everything for HR: self-awareness as a capability you can train versus a capacity you need to develop. How IKEA built a leadership framework that holds both.38:00 - Practising What You PreachWhy Fleur believes HR teams need to subject themselves to the same developmental work they facilitate for others, and how she and her team walked that talk.42:00 - When the System Works Against the ChangeThe tension between a culture that rewards togetherness and consensus, and the need for more self-authored leadership. How governance structures, decision-making processes, and even board meeting formats had to be redesigned.48:00 - What Is HR’s Role Now?HR as a strategic driver rather than a fixer of ‘fluffy’ people problems, and how to embed developmental work in leadership programs beyond theory, moving the learning outside of the classroom.55:00 - Finding Your TribeWhy the work is lonely if you try to do it alone, and Fleur’s practical model of bringing in support - from developmental coaching, a tribe of like-minded thinkers, and a business mentor from the senior leadership team.59:00 - Reinventing the Consultant-Client PartnershipWhat does it look like when consultants, multiple vendors, and internal teams truly collaborate and co-create - letting go of ego and individual goals in service of something bigger?1:08:00 - Highest IntentionsFleur’s driving belief that businesses can create positive change in the world, and the role of conscious leadership. And Alis’s biggest polarity - sitting with both despair and radical hope.Resources mentioned in this episode* The Testament of a Furniture Dealer by Ingvar Kamprad, IKEA founder* Brené Brown with Lisa Lahey on Immunity to Change (Part 1 of 2) - Dare to Lead podcast* Connect with Fleur on LinkedInGuest Bio: Fleur CarterFleur Carter is a senior People and Culture leader and organisational learning strategist with extensive experience leading enterprise transformation in one of the world’s largest global retail organisations. She specialises in designing integrated organisational interventions that not only develop leaders’ capacity for complexity but drive real business impact. Known for her systems ...
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    1 時間 18 分
  • Hacking Narcissism

    Hacking Narcissism
    2025/08/04
    In this episode of The Developmental, I’m in conversation with fellow Substacker, Dr. Nathalie Martinek, an independent researcher and facilitator whose story and work brings new clarity to the messy business of human growth. We explore how narcissism, and the shadow of shame that often goes with it, can be reframed not as a clinical label, but as a relational pattern that we each play a part in.Nathalie takes us from her time as a researcher in cancer biology labs to her own mirror moment: discovering how people (including herself) can behave like cancerous cells within toxic organisational cultures. In this episode, she shares:A vivid reframing of narcissism as something we all carry in relationship dynamicsA powerful three‑fold shame framework for navigating inner resistance when we set boundariesPractical tools—from narrative reframing to the Drama Triangle—to support courageous and relationally healthy leadershipI hope this conversation encourages you to lean into your own developmental edge, helps you discover new pathways to model what you teach and walk the talk as leaders, becoming, as Nathalie beautifully says, an antidote to relational toxicity.Episode Highlights:00:00 – Welcome & IntroAlis introduces Nathalie and sets the scene for a deep dive into shame, narcissism, and walking the talk in leadership and facilitation.04:20 – From Cancer Biology to Human SystemsNathalie shares how her early science career in cancer research led her to study dysfunctional human systems and relational toxicity.12:05 – Becoming the Cancer CellA raw reflection on recognising her own toxic behaviours within toxic systems—and the wake-up call that led to change.19:15 – Spiritual Awakening & Finding a New PathThe messy, long road from burnout to learning reflective practice, spiritual healing, and group facilitation.26:40 – Walking the TalkNathalie explains how the Family Partnership Model demands facilitators model what they teach—and how she learned to embody it.34:15 – What Not Walking the Talk Looks LikeReal examples from facilitation settings—when leaders perform care but undermine psychological safety.42:50 – Moral Courage in FacilitationWhat to do when the person with the most power in the room (the leader) is also part of the problem.49:10 – Hacking Your Own NarcissismNathalie redefines narcissism as a relational pattern, not a pathology, and invites facilitators (and leaders) to examine their power and need for control.55:50 – Three Types of ShameNathalie introduces her brilliant framework:Shame 1: Breaking rules you didn’t know existed.Shame 2: Violating your own values to conform.Shame 3: Feeling guilt after setting healthy boundaries.1:09:10 – Good Person Syndrome & Boundary GuiltExploring the tension between being a “good person” and choosing self-alignment over others’ comfort.1:16:35 – Practical Tools for Working with ShameFrom reframing narratives to breathing exercises and working with Karpman’s Drama Triangle as a reflection tool.1:23:00 – Final ReflectionsWhy increasing our tolerance to shame might be one of the most powerful levers for individual and collective transformation.Guest Bio: Dr. Nathalie MartinekNathalie Martinek, PhD, helps people build relational leadership capacity and cultivate effective relationships in professional life, while also supporting those who’ve been scapegoated, sidelined, or harmed in environments that protect image over people. As a coach, she works with professionals to shift unhelpful relational patterns and navigate subtle power dynamics. As a group facilitator, she creates spaces for learning, applied reflection, and restoration. As a consultant, she helps individuals make sense of workplace dysfunction and emerge intact, with insight into the system and how to move forward. Her approach draws on years of practice inside and alongside institutions, informed by an early career in developmental biology and cancer research, where she studied how environments shape behaviour and how systems enable dysfunction. Nathalie writes and teaches on scapegoating, narcissistic systems, relational leadership, and the emotional forces that shape them. She is the author of The Little Book of Assertiveness, The Scapegoating Playbook at Work, and creator of Hacking Narcissism on Substack. Get full access to Vertical Development: How Grown-ups Grow Up at www.verticaldevelopment.education/subscribe
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    1 時間 20 分
  • Becoming Deliberately Developmental

    Becoming Deliberately Developmental
    2025/06/03
    Welcome to a soulful, candid conversation with experienced coach Donna Trebilcock who is, without a doubt, one of the wisest and most passionate people leaders I have ever met, working in service of a one-of-a-kind brave, norm-bending organisation: Chorus. Together, we explore how deliberately developmental principles are being put into practice within Chorus — through redefining leadership, cultivating collective responsibility, and fostering environments where people can grow into their next developmental edge, but also Donna’s own journey or vertical development and the way it has enabled her to hold space for others’ growth. Donna invites us to a space where raw vulnerability is balanced with practical insights, offering a window into what it really takes to build a developmental organization while becoming a developmental person.If you are in any shape and form involved in leading people or leading people functions, or perhaps coaching or facilitating the growth of people in work contexts, this episode is not to be missed.Episode Summary* [00:00:00] Introduction to Donna Trebilcock* Donna’s background and coaching approach.* Introduction to Chorus as a self-managing, purpose-driven organization.* [00:03:00] The Reality of Developmental Work* How personal and organisational growth journeys are intertwined* [00:10:00] Identity and Developmental Transition* The inner struggle: “Who am I if I’m not indispensable?”* Donna’s transition from Achiever to Redefining and coaching as a turning point. * [00:18:00] The Role of Experimentation in Developmental Leadership* Concrete team-level experiments (e.g., peer feedback in meetings).* Removing top-down control creates empowered, engaged teams.* [00:23:00] Inside the Chorus Experiment* Chorus’ unique model: flat, no hierarchy, no job titles.* Internal coaching evolving from performance focus to deep developmental work.* [00:28:00] Leading Without Authority* Challenges of influence without power.* Coaching as key to growing leadership capacity at all levels.* [00:31:00] Democratizing Power and Accountability* Playbooks co-created by staff.* Agreement-making frameworks that anticipate and hold conflict.* [00:35:00] Impact and Outcomes* Increased engagement, innovation, autonomy.* Vertical development becoming core to the culture.* [00:38:00] Growth Labs and Organizational Learning* Development becoming embedded across onboarding, meetings, and eventually recruitment.* Creating local autonomy and minimizing centralized enabling functions.* [00:43:00] The Messiness of Developmental Work* Dealing with legacy structures and culture.* Compassion and patience as foundational mindsets.* [00:48:00] When Empowerment Pushes Back* Confronting the discomfort of power being questioned.* Walking the talk as a leadership team, even when it’s hard.* [00:51:00] Slowing Down to Speed Up* Developmental debriefs in high-pressure times.* Counterintuitive moves to nurture sustainable growth.* [00:55:00] Donna’s Advice to Her Earlier Self* Expect and embrace the mess.* Compassion for self and others is essential fuel.* [00:59:00] Hope and the Ripple Effect* Recognising human potential and the messy, gritty, real work of making the world better.Guest Bio: Donna TrebilcockDonna is a certified Executive, Organisational, and Systems Coach specialising in leadership and team development through a vertical (adult development) lens. She supports leaders and teams to grow in complexity, strengthen relationships, and navigate meaningful change — especially in progressive, self-managing, or values-led organisations.With deep experience coaching individuals and teams at all levels, she brings a grounded, developmental approach to building high-performing, purpose-driven cultures. She works in close partnership with clients to co-create coaching engagements that meet them where they are and support their most important goals.Donna’s practice is shaped by ongoing professional development and lived experience in complex, adaptive organisational systems. She is passionate about the real work of leadership — cultivating the inner capacity to lead amidst uncertainty, build trust, and grow collective intelligence.Key qualifications and tools Donna brings to coaching partnerships include: • Certified in Executive, Organisational and Relationship Systems Coaching • Leadership Maturity Profile (LMP) accredited • Leadership Circle Profile (LCP) 360-degree accredited • ORSC (Organisation & Relationship Systems Coaching) trained • NLP Practitioner • CILCA360 accredited • Shifting Horizons Advanced Practitioner Certified • Expert workshop design and facilitation (from small teams to whole systems) • Experienced in large-scale transformation and public sector environmentsDive deeperI hope you’ve enjoyed this podcast. If you are curious to dive more deeply into learning about Vertical Development and how it might impact your work and life, check out our online ...
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    1 時間 4 分
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