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Episode 192 – Karl Stefanovic

In this episode, Andy and Roger take on the curious case of Karl Stefanovic, Tommy Robinson, and whether cancel culture is still alive and well in 2026. Andy opens by mourning the apparent end of Karl's media career before the pair unpack his departure from Channel Nine and the controversy surrounding his independent podcast.

They debate whether Karl’s interview with Tommy Robinson was genuinely beyond the pale or simply another example of a long-form podcast allowing guests to tell their stories without being subjected to a courtroom-style interrogation. Along the way, they compare Karl’s approach to Joe Rogan, discuss platforming controversial figures, and explore the tension between journalistic responsibility, freedom of expression and personal accountability for political outcomes.

The conversation also touches on Tommy Robinson’s reputation, the role of social media echo chambers, gender divides in online reactions, and whether audiences are capable of making up their own minds when exposed to contentious ideas. As always, Andy and Roger manage to disagree while remaining oddly civil about it.

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Episode 191 – Cloudy reflections

In this episode, Andy and Roger discover that nothing captures the state of American politics quite like a mysteriously green reflecting pool outside the White House. From there, things only become more normal.

The conversation takes in Donald Trump’s latest foreign policy backflip, the prospect of UFC fights on the White House lawn, and whether politics would be improved by settling succession battles inside a cage. Andy and Roger debate whether MMA belongs at the people’s house, ponder hypothetical match-ups involving JD Vance, Marco Rubio, Kamala Harris and AOC, and wonder if America has finally confused entertainment with government altogether.

Back home, they discuss Pauline Hanson’s appearance at the National Press Club, the growing appeal of One Nation’s media strategy, and whether Australia’s political system is really vulnerable to a populist insurgency. There is also time for an unexpected detour into Carl Sandilands’ future career prospects, the demise of McDonald’s Angus burgers, an hour-long fast food wait that tests Andy’s patience, and the economics of ordering $700 worth of nuggets through a drive-through.

To finish, Andy recommends the low-budget horror film Obsession, while Roger suggests checking out the latest UFC main event and argues that watching two blokes punch each other for ten minutes is still preferable to reading a page-and-a-half diplomatic agreement.

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Episode 190 – One Nation

In this episode, Andy and Roger begin with an unexpected observation about cosmetic surgery, lip filler, hair transplants, and the growing pressure to optimise appearance. What starts as a discussion about cosmetic enhancements quickly turns into a broader conversation about identity, signalling, status, and how different groups present themselves in modern society.

The discussion then shifts into politics, with a deep dive into the remarkable rise of Pauline Hanson and One Nation in Australian polling. Andy and Roger explore why populist movements are gaining traction, whether Pauline Hanson is Australia’s version of Donald Trump, and how voters are responding to growing frustration with the major parties. They debate questions of race, immigration, multiculturalism, Islam, political correctness, and whether Hanson’s appeal comes from speaking uncomfortable truths or from exploiting division.

Along the way, they discuss Trump’s enduring influence on global politics, the decline of traditional conservative parties, the role of social media and meme culture in modern political movements, and whether political figures should be judged by their intentions, their actions, or the consequences of both. As usual, the conversation wanders through history, culture, identity and plenty of uncomfortable territory before arriving somewhere in the middle.

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Episode 189 – Make your bed

Making the bed is apparently the first step towards success, which may explain quite a lot. Andy and Roger compare their tolerance for household discipline, from unmade beds and open drawers to the genuinely hazardous business of leaving the dishwasher door down. They also consider separate doonas, decorative cushions and whether laziness should simply be accepted as a basic feature of human nature.

The conversation moves to ironing, office clothes and the many months of life potentially lost to pressing shirts, before Andy asks Roger to update his assessment of the conflict in Iran. Roger explains why his hopes for a successful outcome have fallen, as they discuss Iran’s nuclear program, regional proxies, the Trump–Netanyahu relationship and the increasingly elastic boundaries of presidential immunity.

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Episode 188 – Friends of Zion

In this episode, Andy and Roger discover that making new friends as adult men may be even harder than expected. After both signing up for Bumble for Friends in the hope of finding a few local mates to share a beer with, they quickly find themselves navigating a very different ecosystem. The pair discuss friendship apps, modern loneliness, online profiles, and the surprisingly uncomfortable experience of judging strangers based on a handful of photos and a short bio.

The conversation then shifts to a much heavier topic: antisemitism, anti-Zionism, and the ongoing public debate surrounding Israel and Gaza. Using a series of test statements, Andy and Roger explore where criticism of Israel ends and antisemitism begins, why definitions matter, and how language can create confusion when different groups use the same terms in different ways. They discuss conspiracy theories, social media influence, foreign disinformation campaigns, generational attitudes, and whether rising concern about antisemitism reflects growing prejudice or broader cultural and political forces. As always, they attempt to find some middle ground in a debate that often leaves little room for nuance.

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Episode 187 – Tickle and Giggle

In this episode, Andy and Roger wander into the increasingly dangerous territory of modern dating politics, culture wars, and one of Australia’s strangest legal battles. What starts as a conversation about young women navigating dating apps and spotting “red flags” in politically conservative men quickly spirals into a broader discussion about whether political alignment has become essential for relationships to survive.

The pair unpack the growing divide between young men and women politically, the influence of figures like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, and whether enjoying Donald Trump as an entertainer is now enough to tank your dating prospects. Along the way, they debate abortion, tribal politics, identity-driven relationships, and whether couples can genuinely coexist with fundamentally different worldviews.

The second half turns to the now infamous Giggle vs Tickle court case, where a female-only social networking app found itself at the centre of Australia’s gender identity laws. Andy and Roger explore the legal reasoning behind the decision, the broader implications for female-only spaces, activist strategy, and whether the public is quietly reaching the limits of culture-war fatigue. Unsurprisingly, things become even more absurd once the words “Giggle” and “Tickle” have to be repeated seriously for half an hour.

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Episode 186 – Negatively geared

In this episode, Andy and Roger somehow begin with Rebecca Black and karaoke videos before spiralling into Harrison Ford, Joe Biden, ageing rock stars, and the psychological inability of powerful people to retire gracefully. It only gets more cheerful from there.

The main discussion centres on the Australian federal budget and the government’s proposed changes to negative gearing and capital gains tax concessions. Andy breaks down exactly how negative gearing works, why investors have historically been willing to run rental losses, and how the combination of tax policy and capital gains transformed Australian housing into a long-term wealth machine. Roger questions whether the changes are genuinely about housing affordability or simply another case of younger generations being told to lower their expectations.

The conversation explores whether the reforms actually help first-home buyers, why rents could rise instead, and how grandfathering existing arrangements effectively locks in advantages for older asset owners while removing the same opportunities for younger Australians. They also debate Labor’s broken promises on tax reform, the growing populist right in Australian politics, and whether parties still win elections on policy at all.

Later, the discussion shifts into public sector efficiency, DOGE-style government reform, bureaucracy, and why fixing government systems is far more complicated than simply hiring “smart outsiders”. Andy argues the people inside government already know where the inefficiencies are, while Roger questions whether large Western governments have lost the ability to deliver major outcomes effectively.

They finish by discussing Pauline Hanson, the fractured Australian centre-right, influencer politics, social media campaigning, and why the next generation of political candidates may look more like TikTok creators than traditional party operators.

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Episode 185 – Rizz

In this episode, Andy and Roger attempt to answer one of the most important questions facing modern civilisation: what actually is “rizz”? The conversation kicks off with the everyday chaos of Australian roads, from overly polite drivers causing near misses to the strange psychology of pedestrians, before drifting into the world of dashcam videos, auditing channels, and the oddly soothing appeal of watching strangers lose their minds online.

From there, the pair unpack the rise of Gen Z slang and whether “rizz” really just means charisma, confidence, or something far more elusive. Along the way they debate which public figures genuinely have it, from Barack Obama and Donald Trump to George Clooney, Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, Michael Jackson, and Jay Leno. They also explore whether charisma can actually be learned, why some celebrities seem magnetic on screen but painfully awkward off it, and whether modern media rewards authenticity or just well-practised performance.

There’s also discussion about podcasting, cult leaders, billionaires, nerd charisma, Italian-Americans, Sam Harris, Steve Jobs, and why real estate agents might simply be running behavioural economics scripts in human form. As usual, Andy and Roger somehow manage to move from Australian traffic etiquette to Hitler in under an hour.

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