In episode 3 of The Pluck, Dr. Jonathan Smith sits down with guitarist and composer Michael Kramer for a wide-ranging conversation about listening, practice, creativity, and the deeper forces that shape musical life. Michael reflects on early lessons from his uncle, formative guitar teachers, the importance of taking the blues seriously, and the path that led him from rock and jazz discovery into a broader philosophy of sound rooted in body, structure, and spirit.
The conversation moves through ear training, groove, harmonic thinking, flow states, and the role of serious listening in artistic development. Along the way, Michael shares insights from his work as a performer, composer, and bandleader, including how he thinks about time, feel, organization, and presence in both practice and performance.
This episode is for guitarists, composers, improvisers, and anyone drawn to the mystery of how music works on us from the inside out.
Chapters
00:00 Intro: Welcome to The Pluck
01:06 Meet Michael Kramer
02:05 Routines, family life, and starting the week
03:08 Piano practice, Mahler, and memory
06:45 First guitar and early encouragement
09:46 Taking the blues seriously
14:20 Blues, classical guitar, and early influences
17:30 Hendrix, Dylan, Elmore James, and listening deeper
22:10 The teachers who changed everything
27:30 Learning tunes by ear and understanding shapes
32:00 Discovering jazz and getting serious about music
37:00 Listening as practice
43:00 Flow states and music as presence
50:20 Listening for joy vs. listening for analysis
56:30 Breaking out of rigid listening rules
1:00:30 Music, timelessness, and attention
1:06:00 The three dimensions of listening
1:13:30 Coltrane, perception, and changing lenses
1:20:00 Beginner's mind and analytical mind
1:25:10 Performance as body, intellect, and spirit
1:32:00 Guitar practice through shapes and symmetry
1:40:00 From physical motion to harmonic form
1:47:00 Time-feel, rubato, and articulation
1:55:00 Why the physical dimension still carries meaning
2:02:00 Writing, arranging, and composing for players
2:07:00 The future of The Pluck
2:12:00 Closing thoughts
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