Kimberly Lee spent ten years as a trial attorney — four as a public defender in downtown Los Angeles, six running her own practice. She had the pedigree, the credentials, and a career that looked like everything was figured out. She also had a throat that hurt every time she left the courtroom, a Sunday dread that never went away, and a quiet inner voice that kept growing louder.

Today, Kimberly is a writer, workshop facilitator, and retreat leader who works with creatives and emerging writers. She's the author of Have You Seen Him? — a thriller available now — and the creator of a body of work that exists because she finally stopped outsourcing her sense of self to a title.

This is a conversation about what it means to trust yourself when the path isn't clear, let go of an identity that no longer fits, and build something new without a roadmap.

Connect with Kimberly: kimberlylee.me

In this episode, we explore:

• What it felt like to follow the "right" path into law — and when Kimberly first started to sense it wasn't hers
• The physical signals her body sent before her mind was ready to listen — and what she did with them
• What it costs to perform a version of yourself for years, and how that performance eventually runs out of steam
• Why identity gets so tangled up in impressive-sounding titles — and the quiet act of resistance it takes to let that go
• The moment at a birthday party that became an unexpected test of who she was becoming
• What actually transfers from a high-stakes legal career into creative work — and what she was more than happy to leave behind
• Imposter syndrome, the non-linear path, and why forging your own way requires a tolerance for uncertainty
• The difference between people who thrive in hard environments and those who carry that environment home with them
• People pleasing, saying yes to the wrong things, and how Kimberly learned to pause before committing
• Fear as fuel — and the Nelson Mandela quote she adopted to replace the win/lose binary she left behind
• What "I either win or learn" looks like in practice when you're building something from scratch

Resources & Links:

• Ready to step off autopilot? Visit thinkoutsidethelines.com to access free worksheets designed to help you cut through the noise, ask the right questions, and finally hear yourself clearly
• Explore 1:1 coaching and other resources at thinkoutsidethelines.com
• Follow along on all platforms → @thinkoutsidethelines

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Most of us never chose the rules we live by. We didn't have to — they were already everywhere. In what our parents valued, what our teachers rewarded, what our culture quietly insisted a good life was supposed to look like.

Go to school. Get the degree. Find the stable career. Hit the milestones in the right order.

And most of us followed those lines without ever questioning them. Not because we agreed — but because we didn't realize there was another option.

That's the thing about inherited expectations. They don't announce themselves. They just become the water you swim in. You end up building a life that looks right but doesn't quite feel like yours. And that low-grade friction — that constant, quiet misalignment — takes more energy than most people realize.

This episode isn't about burning it all down. It's about something quieter and more honest than that — learning to tell the difference between the lines that genuinely fit you and the ones that were drawn by someone else's anxiety, someone else's definition of enough.

Because there's a version of your life where you get to choose. Maybe for the first time.

Resources & Links:

• Ready to step off autopilot? Visit thinkoutsidethelines.com to access free worksheets designed to help you cut through the noise, ask the right questions, and finally hear yourself clearly
• Explore 1:1 coaching and other resources at thinkoutsidethelines.com
• Follow along on all platforms → @thinkoutsidethelines

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Toni Will is the General Manager of the Kalamazoo Wings professional hockey team, a role she's held for over a decade after a 13-year career in banking and a brief, pivotal stop at the Chamber of Commerce. She's a speaker, coach, conference organizer behind empowHER, host of the Women In podcast, and author. She is also the force behind Rainbow Ice, making the Kalamazoo Wings the first professional hockey team ever to dye the ice rainbow in a statement that everyone is welcome.

In a culture where drinking is practically in the job description, Toni made a quiet but profound decision to go alcohol-free in October 2020. What followed wasn't just sobriety — it was a full reclamation of identity, clarity, and the kind of leadership that only becomes possible when you stop outsourcing your ability to cope.

This is a conversation about what it means to redefine yourself — as a leader, as a woman in a male-dominated industry, and as a person who decides that "normal" simply isn't working anymore.

Resources & Links:

• Connect with Toni, explore her coaching, podcast, conference, and pick up her book Rebellious Success at toniwill.com
• Ready to step off autopilot? Visit thinkoutsidethelines.com to access free worksheets designed to help you cut through the noise, ask the right questions, and finally hear yourself clearly
• Explore 1:1 coaching and other resources at thinkoutsidethelines.com
• Follow along on all platforms → @thinkoutsidethelines

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Shawn is returning to the conversation with one inescapable question: In a world dominated by five-step systems and polished highlight reels, what kind of conversations actually help us live better?

This isn't just a rebrand; it’s a return to the "messy middle." Shawn shares the evolution of Think Outside the Lines and explores why the search for a life that actually feels true is more urgent than ever. If you’re done checking boxes and ready to step off autopilot, this conversation is for you.

In this episode, we explore:

• The Evolution of a Mission: Moving from "improving your life" to finding true alignment.

• Lived Experience: Why the tools that matter most are the ones we use to navigate our own transitions as they unfold.

• Closing the Gap: Identifying when you’re succeeding at the wrong things and how to pivot toward what’s real.

• Design vs. Default: Learning to stop performing your life and start actually creating it.

Join the Conversation:

• Subscribe: Follow on your favorite podcast app so you never miss an episode.

• Go Deeper: Visit thinkoutsidethelines.com to download the Alignment Check-In and other resources designed for the moments when you’re ready to do the deeper work on your own.

• Share this episode: If this resonated with you, share it with one person who might need to hear it today.

After a decade of podcasting, Shawn is returning with one inescapable question: What kind of conversations actually matter right now?

Welcome to the new era of Think Outside the Lines—a space for anyone who is done checking boxes, ready to step off autopilot, and looking to create a life that actually feels true.

We aren't here for five-step systems, quick fixes, or polished highlight reels. We are here for honest, grounded conversations about what it actually takes to find alignment and lead from who you are, rather than the script you were handed.

What to expect this season:

• Real stories from people navigating the "messy middle" of career and life transitions.
• Conversations about closing the gap between external success and internal alignment.
• Honest explorations of what it means to stop performing your life and start actually living it.
  

Join the conversation:

• Hit subscribe right now so you don't miss the first official episode.
• Ready to step off autopilot? Head over to thinkoutsidethelines.com to download free resources like The Alignment Check-In and start doing the work at your own pace.

Let's think outside the lines.

Terry Tucker: Unlocking Your Extraordinary Potential

Terry Tucker is a sought-after speaker who believes in the power of a good story to motivate, inspire, and encourage others to lead their uncommon and extraordinary lives.

By combining his eleven-year cancer journey with his diverse business, athletic coaching, and law enforcement expertise, he delivers compelling yet relatable presentations for conferences, virtual events, panels, meetings, and seminars.

Terry is the Founder of Motivational Check LLC and has a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration from The Citadel and a Master's degree from Boston University.

He has been an NCAA Division I college basketball player, a marketing executive, a hospital administrator, a customer service manager, a SWAT Hostage Negotiator, a business owner, a high school basketball coach, and a cancer warrior.

He is the author of the book Sustainable Excellence, Ten Principles To Leading Your Uncommon and Extraordinary Life. Terry has been featured in Authority, Thrive Global, and Human Capital Leadership magazines. In addition, he is quoted in the new book, Audaciousness, Your Journey To Living A Bold And Authentic Life by Maribel Ortega and Helen Strong

For more information:

https://www.motivationalcheck.com/

More information about the podcast:

https://www.thinkoutsidethelines.com

Cappi Pidwell: Unleashing the Power of the Subconscious Mind

Cappi Pidwell is a Master of NLP & Hypnotherapy. As a Professional Speaker. Author Mindset Strategist, and Product Developer, she has been coaching and consulting audiences, corporations, associations, business owners, and Entrepreneurs on how to get rapid results with her mindset programs for over 29 years.

Her keynotes and presentations are involved, experiential, and very powerful. Her audiences always leaves wanting more!

Cappi goes beyond, and provides solutions that work as she helps people reach their peak performance.

For more information:

https://www.cappipidwell.com/

More information about the podcast:

https://www.thinkoutsidethelines.com

Mark Williams' new book “The Connected Species: How understanding the evolution of our brain can change the world” is a #1 Best Seller. Mark has worked with thousands of students, teachers, health professionals, and company directors keen to understand how their brain works, how to perform optimally and maintain a healthy brain. He runs programs on the neuroscience of learning, the neuroscience of emotions, how our brains create our reality, and the impact of modern technologies on our brains. Mark has an extensive academic background in brain research and teaching.

He is a professor of cognitive neuroscience, with over 25 years experience conducting behavioral and brain imaging research focusing on our social skills. He has taught the fundamentals of neuroscience to a wide range of students, as well as publishing more than 70 scientific articles and worked at MIT in the USA and multiple universities in Australia. He draws on his extensive scientific background to work with schools, companies and the public to develop evidence-based practices using neuroscience to enhance our education, work and personal lives. His work has been highlighted in the media both locally [e.g., Mirror Mirror (Channel Ten), Our Brain, Magic and the Brain, Music and the Brain, Making Australia Happy (ABC), Sunrise (Channel 7), Screen Time is Affecting Learning (SkyNews)] and internationally [e.g., The Guardian (UK), New York Times (USA), Economist, New Scientist, Leading Edge, (BBC: UK), Science in Action (BBC; International)].

For more information:

https://rethinkingthebrain.com/

More information about the podcast:

https://www.thinkoutsidethelines.com