This is the perfect podcast to follow Episode 215: Grace Under Fire… because apparently, grace only gets you so far when you can’t agree on the definition of basic words.

Welcome to Biz-Souls Episode 216, where Rona Lewis and Jeffrey Hansler do what all great business leaders do…debate, disagree, double down—and then invite you to decide who’s right (with pizza on the line, no less).

This episode has everything:

A philosophical showdown over empathy versus sympathy (spoiler: no one leaves unscathed), and real-world leadership dilemmas that prove business decisions aren’t just spreadsheets, they’re human.

Jeffrey brings the “I’ve trained leaders on this for years” energy while Rona brings the “I will absolutely challenge that” energy. Together, they bring… confusion, conviction, and comedy.

Along the way, things escalate from: “Let’s define empathy…” to “You have it backwards...” to “We probably should’ve looked this up first...” to “Jane, you ignorant…” (Yes, it goes there.

Thankfully, no turtles were harmed in the making of this episode… although several were mentioned.

And beneath the laughs is a seriously relevant conversation:

• How do leaders make tough calls without becoming cold and robotic?

• Where’s the line between caring and carrying too much?

• And is it possible to lead with heart without losing your head?

If Episode 215 was about keeping your cool under pressure, Episode 216 is about what happens when the pressure turns into a full-blown semantic sparring match.

So… who’s right? Team Rona or team Jeffrey?

Or are you just here for the occasional cats and the chaos?

Tune in, weigh in, and maybe, just maybe, learn something about leadership, language, and why you should always Google definitions before you hit record.

Biz-Souls: where business gets real… and occasionally ridiculous.

What do scuba diving, courtroom drama, Facebook comment sections, and losing your cool in a meeting all have in common?

Absolutely everything—according to Biz-Souls, the business podcast with an edge (and just enough sarcasm to keep you honest).

This week, Rona Lewis and Jeffrey Hansler tackle the fine art of not losing your mind when everyone else already has.

Because let’s face it, in today’s world, staying calm in business meetings is basically an Olympic sport… and most people are competing in the “Emotional Outburst” category.

Inside This Episode:

• Why being “authentic” doesn’t mean calling your coworker an idiot (even if they earned it)

• How losing your cool can cost you credibility and money.

• The surprising lesson expert witnesses know: the calmer you are, the more powerful you become

• The secret formula to handle conflict without turning into a human flamethrower.

Jeffrey shares a moment where keeping his composure paid off big…

…and another where not doing so cost him. (Spoiler: emotions are expensive.)

Rona, meanwhile, openly admits she’d be a terrible poker player—because her face broadcasts feelings like it’s Times Square.

The Big Idea: Grace under fire isn’t about being emotionless. It’s about choosing your response instead of letting your reaction choose you.

Bonus Takeaway: If you can’t stay calm at work… Start practicing at home.

Nothing builds emotional discipline faster than: Family arguments, traffic jams, and someone cutting you in line at Starbucks.

Why Listen? Because business isn’t just strategy and spreadsheets, it’s people, pressure, and the occasional urge to scream into a void. And if you can master grace under fire, you don’t just survive business… you win it.

Listen now to Biz-Souls with Jeffrey Hansler & Rona Lewis. Where business meets brains, heart… and just enough humor to keep you sane.

Listen, like, follow, share, and subscribe. You’ll be glad you did.

And who’s Grace?

What do gym shoes, Olympic athletes, and getting your to-do list under control have in common?

According to Rona Lewis, quite a lot.

In this episode of Biz-Souls, Rona arrives fresh from yet another workout (seriously… does she ever sit down?) and shares the secret behind the productivity levels that have friends—and her long-suffering podcast partner Jeffrey Hansler—comparing her to the Ever-Ready Bunny. Jeffrey admits he gets tired just hearing about everything she’s accomplished before noon. By 10 a.m., Rona has exercised, written something, planned three projects, and possibly reorganized a small nation.

The culprit behind this superhuman output? An athlete’s mindset.

Working from an article in Fast Company, Rona explains how high performers use a “non-negotiable” mindset—turning important actions into automatic habits instead of daily debates. No internal arguments. No procrastination. No “maybe later.” Just decide once and do it.

In other words: stop negotiating with your to-do list like it’s a labor union.

Along the way, Rona and Jeffrey dive into:

• Why hesitation quietly kills productivity (and why “I’ll start tomorrow” is the most popular lie ever told)

• How athletes train their brains to focus and follow through

• Why habits beat motivation every time—because motivation likes to sleep in

• The surprising power of playfulness in getting things done

• And why Jeffrey believes Rona may secretly run on rechargeable batteries

They also wander into the Olympics, ADHD superpowers, cats that insist on being part of the podcast production team, and the universal truth that productivity always feels better after you start.

If you’ve ever spent more time thinking about your to-do list than actually doing it, this episode may give you the mindset shift you need.

Because productivity isn’t just about working harder.

It’s about training your brain like an athlete—and maybe laughing a little while you’re doing it.

Related Biz-Souls Episodes:

Episode 213 – Innovative Strategy with Melissa Dinwiddie

Why creativity and play aren’t luxuries in business—they’re strategic advantages.

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6Fh7tS6DkYJbXxBizSouls

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BizSoulsPodcast

Episode 212 – HR and AI: The Future of Work

What happens when artificial intelligence meets human resources—and whether the robots will eventually ask for PTO.

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6Fh7tS6DkYJbXxBizSouls

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BizSoulsPodcast

Episode 211 – Greg Schirmer: From Badge to Boardroom

A former police officer shares what de-escalation, negotiation, and leadership look like when the stakes are high.

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6Fh7tS6DkYJbXxBizSouls

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@BizSoulsPodcast