What if the secret to lifelong romance isn’t perfection—but being willing to grow together, even after 30 years?

On this episode of the Marriage of Greatness podcast, Evan Money and Susan Money welcome John Burge and Diana Burge, a couple who defy the odds in a world where LA’s divorce rate soars to 75%. Discover how they’ve built a marriage that stands out for joy, connection, and continued growth—even as entrepreneurs, parents of grown daughters, and mentors to other couples.

Key highlights:

• The three things John Burge and Diana Burge are most grateful for about each other—including humor, empathy, and faith.
• Personal journeys of outgrowing people-pleasing and learning to let go as parents.
• The surprising advice they give every couple about happiness and priorities.
• Daily habits, the “marriage pyramid,” and the transformative power of just 10 intentional minutes together.
• How their devotion to marriage ministry and working on themselves has changed their lives.

Don’t miss their heartening insights and vulnerable stories about building greatness in marriage—no matter what stage of life you’re in.

Timestamped Overview

[00:00] Meet John & Diana Burge

[01:47] Introduction and background

[04:04] Top three things they’re grateful for

[07:30] Discussion on eating disorders & body image

[10:49] Outgrowing people-pleasing and letting go as parents

[14:13] Their daughters and family updates

[17:08] When they realized their marriage was different

[19:52] The power of intentional connection

[23:34] Most impactful marriage advice

[29:03] The importance of daily intentional conversation

[31:06] If your marriage was a movie...

[32:47] Most memorable gifts given

[35:43] Encouragement for couples: 100/0, happiness, and personal growth

[39:34] Wrap-up and how to connect

What if the secret to a thriving marriage isn’t love—but asking the right questions?

In this inspiring episode, Susan Money and Evan Money reveal the five powerful questions every couple must tackle to move from a “good” marriage to a truly “great” one—and why skipping these questions can cause even the strongest relationships to slowly drift apart. Drawing from personal stories, faith, and practical wisdom, they break down how intentionality, alignment, and reflection forge legendary relationships. From deciding who leads, to evaluating if your marital “process” is really working, you’ll discover transformative habits to strengthen your connection—for life.

Timestamps Overview:

00:01 Welcome & Episode Hook: Five Powerful Questions for Your Marriage
00:31 Introduction from Susan Money and Evan Money
01:14 Why Does Your Marriage Exist?
04:16 The Power of Alignment and Multiplication in Marriage
05:41 Who is Leading This Marriage?
08:22 Navigating Disagreement and Decision-Making Roles
13:04 What is Our Philosophy?
14:43 The Drift Effect & Staying Intentionally Connected
17:16 Embracing Growth and Change Together
18:35 Highlights from Ritz Carlton & Rolls Royce Shout-Outs
18:42 What is Our Process and Is It Working?
21:00 Real-Life Guardrails and Adjustments
23:29 Timing Conversations Intentionally
25:57 What Have We Accomplished in Our Marriage?
28:34 Reflecting on Past Achievements and Future Goals
29:12 The Five Key Questions Recap & Final Challenge
30:47 Outro and Connect with the Show

Join Evan and Susan Money for their Q&A from the recent Marriage of Greatness retreat in Uganda! In this episode, they dive deep into how couples worldwide face similar marital challenges—no matter where they're from.

You’ll hear candid questions from retreat participants about navigating differences in decision-making speed, handling business setbacks with your spouse, respecting each other’s professional expertise, and building clear communication. Susan shares practical advice on setting tangible goals, understanding different ways of processing information, and why changing strategies is crucial when things aren’t working.

The episode also addresses what happens when trust is broken in marriage, with insights on rebuilding love, setting guardrails, and coming back stronger than ever. Plus, celebrate with a couple freshly married for just 48 hours as they gain wisdom to start their journey on a firm foundation.

Whether you’re newlyweds or seasoned partners, this heartfelt and honest episode offers encouragement and actionable advice for every marriage.

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