David Mickelson and Kori Andrews welcome back Jordan Robertson for her third clinical installment. Jordan defines secondary loss as the "ripple effect" of subsequent losses stemming from a death, such as changes in identity, routine, and financial security. Unlike the immediate impact of a primary loss, these cascading changes often catch the bereaved off guard years later.

Kori shares a poignant account of navigating his daughters' health crises while still processing the earlier loss of his daughter, Kamryn. Jordan categorizes these challenges into areas like loss of function—where daily tasks become overwhelming—and the heavy loss of hopes and dreams, such as missing a child’s future milestones, missions, or weddings.

The episode provides strategies for navigating these "intangible" losses, including naming them and finding anchor relationships. Ultimately, the hosts highlight secondary loss as a new avenue to rely on Jesus Christ. Kori shares how a sacred song brought him comfort, testifying that the Savior provides relief and hope throughout the long, rhythmic journey of grief.

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David Mickelson and Kori Andrews welcome Tiffany Thurgood, who shares the story of her husband Danny’s battle with an incurable kidney tumor. Tiffany, a self-described extrovert who loves to dance, recounts their "Hallmark" long-distance meeting and the sudden diagnosis that transformed their lives. Despite the "terror" of his final weeks, Tiffany shares a sacred conversation where she learned that her need for the Savior surpassed even her need for her husband.
The discussion explores the difference between the faith to be healed and the "forest of mustard trees" required to endure lifelong loss. Tiffany candidly describes the difficulty of parenting through bereavement and the importance of being "patient in long-suffering". She highlights the power of vulnerability through a tearful encounter at a sporting goods store, where a stranger’s offer of prayer provided an unexpected spiritual connection.
Currently, Tiffany finds purpose in pursuing a degree in family history work, a path she feels was divinely prepared for her. She testifies that while some mountains do not move, Jesus Christ provides the strength to climb them and see a "different view". Her story serves as a witness that through the atonement of Jesus Christ, peace is possible even when life does not turn out as planned.Follow along on social media:

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David Mickelson and Kori Andrews welcome George Slaughter, who shares the story of his daughter, Madey. A vibrant athlete and music lover, Madey was diagnosed with Ewing sarcoma at age 14. Despite a year of intense treatments and a hopeful community rallying behind her with "Slaughter Cancer" wristbands, Madey passed away shortly after her 15th birthday.

George candidly discusses the struggle of not receiving the physical miracle the family sought. He introduces their powerful "hold on" phrase: “It might not be okay right now, but it will be”. George reflects on the "extra portion of the spirit" that sustained them, emphasizing that while grief remains real, faith provides the strength to keep moving even when answers feel elusive.

Ultimately, George testifies that Jesus Christ is hope. He shares how turning outward and expressing honest feelings—including frustration—allows for joy amidst sorrow. Looking forward to a future reunion, he finds peace in the promise of the resurrection, trusting that the Savior's love is sufficient to carry us through every mountain.

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