In this episode, David and Kori welcome Amy Ostler, a therapist who shares the story of her husband Trent’s battle with glioblastoma. Amy describes Trent as a man of intellect and adventure who faced a terminal diagnosis while they were raising two young children. After a series of medical complications and a prolonged coma, Trent passed away, leaving Amy to navigate the profound "winter" of her life.

Amy candidly discusses the "agony and deep sorrow" that followed, which challenged her previous views of the gospel as transactional. Through therapy, she learned to visualize Christ in her moments of pain, often seeing Him carrying her when she felt powerless. She emphasizes that spiritual peace can coexist with intense mortal suffering, as the Savior meets us exactly where we are.

Concluding with a powerful testimony, Amy shares that she now knows Christ walks with us daily. He provides an infinite, healing love that listens without judgment or agenda, especially when others tire of the heaviness of grief. Her experience illustrates how a relationship with Christ becomes a lifting, enabling force through mortality's hardest trials.Follow along on social media:

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David and Kori welcome BYU PhD candidate Jordan Robertson to launch a monthly series bridging clinical research with lived experience. Jordan, a counselor with over 1,500 clinical hours, introduces eight grief frameworks to help listeners navigate their unique journeys. She discusses theories like the Tasks of Mourning and the Dual Process Model, which focus on moving between processing loss and rebuilding life.

The conversation highlights how clinical tools complement faith in Jesus Christ, helping believers manage the painful "in-between" stage of bereavement. Jordan also suggests volunteering as a way to "dip your toe" into helping others. Finally, she explores meaning reconstruction, emphasizing that resilience is the most common response to loss. Jordan concludes by showing how grief can uniquely connect us to Christ.

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This podcast is for informational purposes only and is not a substitute for professional mental health care. Although a therapist in training is featured, no therapy or counseling services are being provided, and no therapist-client relationship is formed. If you need support, please contact a qualified mental health professional or, in a crisis, reach out to local emergency services or the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline.

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Join David Mickelson and Kori Andrews for the Season 2 premiere of the Grief and Belief podcast. Celebrating one year and over 50 interviews, the hosts reflect on the blessing of providing a hopeful resource for those navigating loss.

This season introduces an exciting new monthly segment featuring Jordan Robertson, a PhD candidate, counselor, and author from episode 42. On the first Tuesday of every month, she will provide a clinical and scholarly perspective on grief, covering research-based frameworks and the benefits of counseling.

In honor of Easter, this episode features a special message centered on the road to Emmaus in Luke 24. David and Kori explore how sharing stories of heartbreak can invite the Savior to "draw near," transforming grief into a journey of discovery and healing. To conclude, the hosts invite the audience to participate in a new community discussion by answering the question: "What do you now know about Jesus Christ?". Join the conversation via email or social media as the podcast continues its mission to find hope in the wake of loss.

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